Originally posted by deft
C'mon zop, even is mentioned that Beyonder passing throught the Scar of Eternity:
Originally posted by deft
Nope, the Scar of Eternity allowed Beyonder enter to the Earth-691. It's simple.
You realize the GOTG timeline is an alt reality set 1000 years into the future. That Beyonder CANNOT be 616 Beyonder because 616 Beyonder had evolved past his Beyonder form into Kosmos a 1000 years prior in 616 reality.
Beyonder became Kosmos in FF Annual 23 in 1990 (IRL time). Yet the Beyonder in the GOTG was still in Beyonder form and that was in GOTG 38 in 1993 (IRL time).
They're TWO DIFFERENT beings.
Originally posted by zopzopIf the bio said: "the Beyonder from GotG is an alternate version" or somesuch, you'd at least have a point... But as it stands, your assertion is essentially: "Beyonder from GotG wasn't mentioned in a bio, therefore he's non-canon."
My proof is the official bio backed up by the people that edit them for Marvel itself. The GOTG event took place in an alternate future. That was an alternate reality Beyonder. The fact that the GOTG appearance isn't mentioned in his handbook entries is my proof. Just like all his dozen other alt reality appearances do not appear in his 616 handbook entry (Mutant X universe, Wild West Universe Beyonder, etc...).
Do I really have to explain why that logic doesn't work? Again, canonicity has NEVER been dictated by whether or not an event is referenced in a bio. I know you know this. 😬
Originally posted by zopzopIt's called time-hopping, my dude. Common trope in comics.
It doesn't work that way. That was an alternate reality Beyonder peering into an alternate reality Eternity.You realize the GOTG timeline is an alt reality set 1000 years into the future. That Beyonder CANNOT be 616 Beyonder because 616 Beyonder had evolved past his Beyonder form into Kosmos a 1000 years prior in 616 reality.
Beyonder became Kosmos in FF Annual 23 in 1990 (IRL time). Yet the Beyonder in the GOTG was still in Beyonder form and that was in GOTG 38 in 1993 (IRL time).
As stated on panel: Beyonder introduced himself into the GotG timeline once he became aware of it... He jumped from HIS universe/timeline, INTO the GotG timeline.
...The editor's note even references Secret Wars for god's sake. 😬
Originally posted by Galan007
If the bio said: "the Beyonder from GotG is an alternate version" or somesuch, you'd at least have a point... But as it stands, your assertion is essentially: "Beyonder from GotG wasn't mentioned in a bio, therefore he's non-canon."Do I really have to explain why that logic doesn't work? Again, canonicity has NEVER been dictated by whether or not an event is referenced in a bio. I know you know this. 😬
It's not mentioned because its TWO DIFFERENT BEINGS.
It's called time-hopping, my dude. Common trope in comics.As stated on panel: Beyonder introduced himself into the GotG timeline once he became aware of it... He jumped from HIS universe/timeline, INTO the GotG timeline.
...The editor's note even references Secret Wars for god's sake. 😬
Originally posted by zopzopBased on... Literally no tangible evidence at all, lol.
It's not mentioned because its TWO DIFFERENT BEINGS.
Sorry, but your "it wasn't mentioned in a bio, therefore it's non-canon!" logic doesn't cut it.
Originally posted by zopzopBubonicus caused a tear in space/TIME, as stated on panel:
He straight up mentions he became aware of 'this universe' aka earth 691 when he saw it through the rip in Eternity caused by Bubonicus (he called this event 'recent)! The Bubonicus event takes place in the GOTG timeline ONE THOUSAND YEARS into the future. You can't get around this fact. There is no time hopping involved at all. Beyonder in the GOTG universe isn't 616 Beyonder. He can't be because one thousand years prior he evolved into Kosmos!
GotG just takes place in a divergent timeline that Beyonder was able to access after becoming aware of it(thanks to the tear in space/TIME Bubonicus made):
*Hence why the editors note also references SECRET WARS.
This is also why Eternity referred to it as CROSS-MULTIVERSAL tampering:
Perhaps there is some actual evidence which suggests this version of Beyonder is an alternate. But as of now, that evidence has definitely NOT been provided.
Originally posted by Galan007
Based on... Literally no tangible evidence at all, lol.Sorry, but your "it wasn't mentioned in a bio, therefore it's non-canon!" logic doesn't cut it.
Bubonicus caused a tear in space/TIME, as stated on panel:
GotG just takes place in a divergent timeline that Beyonder was able to access after becoming aware of it(thanks to the tear in space/TIME Bubonicus made):
*Hence why the editors note also references SECRET WARS.
This is also why Eternity referred to it as CROSS-MULTIVERSAL tampering:
Perhaps there is some actual evidence which suggests this version of Beyonder is an alternate. But as of now, that evidence has definitely NOT been provided.
But I think that's his point. The handbook -doesn't- speak for you. It doesn't speak on this subject at all (one way or the other).
That doesn't automatically make GOTG Beyonder noncanon though, because something not being mentioned in a handbook doesnt make it non canon. Handbooks aren't the end all be all source.
You need something better if you want to actually prove your point here. Otherwise it's just argumentum ad ignorantiam.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Who the hell is Hawkgod?Mungi, I told you to stop this madness.
Jokes aside the Protege storyline from the early 90s GOTG was really a nerdy fun read
Secret Wars 2 and That story pretty much ramped up the highest marvel cosmic feats in the history. Marvel cosmic peaked in the 90s imo (LT wasn't a jobber back then)
as far as scale concerned, the most famous cosmic storyline Infinity Gauntlet pale in comparison to the more obscure stories around that time period
sorry guys don't mean to bump this but I just discovered last couple pages ago was gem, it's too funny
Originally posted by unknowable
Yeah Mr M is pretty much the kmc scholar of marvel cosmic entertainment and this thread is just one example of his incredible knowledge. You should also check out Galan and Operator616 posts they are also wizards in this department. I will say the monumental rivalries of GS vs Mr M are not around anymore in this area of comics, and I think it is because there is too much ignorance trying to discuss stories with the pros. They should ask instead of arguing for argument's sake.
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I almost pissed myself, Master padding himself on the back
this is so funny and sad at the same time the amount of mental problems in this post
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Rather, MrM agreeing with himself, through his alt accounts, because no one else does 😂 .
you are mystic mac
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He will come back in 2020.We need to be ready.
bro in this month I saw
1. a 40 year old duck face hitting on a near 50 year old married mom with a bathroom selfie.
2. Baby Thanos raging
3. Mr Master talking to himself to pretend he has friends
4. Bruceskywalker complete mental breakdown over fangirling a movie
KMC truly is a great place. I need to get off here soon though, only been here everyday last month due to surgery but once I can walk I'm getting the fuk out lol
Originally posted by MrMind
bro in this month I saw
1. a 40 year old duck face hitting on a near 50 year old married mom with a bathroom selfie.
2. Baby Thanos raging
3. Mr Master talking to himself to pretend he has friends
4. Bruceskywalker complete mental breakdown over fangirling a movieKMC truly is a great place. I need to get off here soon though, only been here everyday last month due to surgery but once I can walk I'm getting the fuk out lol
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