Darth Maul & Savage Opress vs. General Grievous & Asajj Ventress

He's saying it's his opinion so as not to have crazy Grievous fans lay into him. The guy gets a lot of hate mail.

Also the guy has talked to Lucas in depth about all these things on a daily basis for like 7-8 years. You really think he forgot to ask Lucas about how good Grievous is? LOL.

Fact is he's actually defended Grievous to Lucas. He says on page 1 of that same Interview how IT WAS LUCAS who wanted to have Grievous losing to Gungans, and it was FILONI who said Fan won't like that.

Filoni: Yeah, because that was a huge challenge. I think I've said before how I went back and forth on that one with George several times saying, "Wow, if we do this to Grievous, I think that's going to be a big, big loss for him. His credibility's going to go down." You know, we argued about it back and forth several times trying to figure out was that going to be the best move. George was always pretty resolute that it was going to be fine, and he talked with me through how we could achieve it. And I thought, "Well, if we're going to take him out, then we have to lose something pretty big on the good guys' side to make the sacrifice seem pretty meaningful." So we had to take out Tarpals

In either case, like you said, he's in charge on that show, so it shows us the creators intentions of Ventress beating Grievous simply being because she's better than him, not because they're on some dark side nexus.

None of this matters because he's explained that when it comes to formidable Jedi (All Council Members would be included in that) Grievous wins THROUGH FEAR AND INTIMIDATING his Opponents via his Swirling Blades.

So the Jedi who have done better against him, have simply got past that Intimidation factor, whilst the Jedi who have struggled or fall to him Have not.

Clearly it took Kenobi some time to get past that. But he was clearly past it by ROTS. Whilst Fisto and Koth saw past that almost immediately.

Basically everything you just said is refuted by the fact that it is just an opinion, which is basically irrelevant unless it's deemed official.

Originally posted by ILS
Lmfao, you're completely incapable of countering my argument so you continue to cling to a subjective opinion like it's fact. Nice debating DP, good job 👆

Basically everything you just said is refuted by the fact that it is just an opinion, which is basically irrelevant unless it's deemed official.

Cool story bro. You keep clinging to the idea that "It's his OPINION".

I'll stick with the Creator's opinion over yours any day 👆

Originally posted by ILS

Quote?

You need a quote that Filoni's talked to Lucas about everything that happens on Clone Wars including all the fights that happen?

You really have no clue about how actual Canon was created under Lucas do you?

He was pretty much a dictator over the whole thing.

You've even quoted YOURSELF how Filoni argued back on forth with Lucas about how Grievous shouldn't lose to Gungans.

So if anything, Filoni's opinion on Grievous is actually HIGHER than Lucas's opinion on him 👆

You keep clinging to the idea that "It's his OPINION".

I mean, it's just me

but I always thought

I'll stick with the Creator's opinion over yours any day

You need a quote that Filoni's talked to Lucas about everything that happens on Clone Wars including all the fights that happen?

You really have no clue about how actual Canon was created under Lucas do you?

You've even quoted YOURSELF how Filoni argued back on forth with Lucas about how Grievous shouldn't lose to Gungans.

So if anything, Filoni's opinion on Grievous is actually HIGHER than Lucas's opinion on him

I'm pretty sure there's another post of mine in another thread you need to get to replying to bro, unless you conceded to that too? Holy shit, you'll need to open up your own concession stand if this keeps up.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
http://uk.ign.com/articles/2012/03/21/star-wars-the-clone-wars-looking-back-at-season-4?page=3

Filoni: I still don't believe that, at this point -- one-to-one -- that Grievous could really take out someone like Ventress in a lightsaber fight. I mean, it's just me, but he doesn't have the Force. He can't wield it. I don't see how he can hope to be as proficient as a Jedi or a Sith could be fighting with a lightsaber, which is why he's always willing to dirty play at the end of the day.

^ Interesting thing is he specifically notes LIGHTSABER Fight. So he's talking of a scenario without any Tk Involvement. So clearly being on a DS Nexus (which I'm not sure it is in true canon), would not have effected the end result of that duel. And that's without Tk involved.

He goes on to say that he is adept at wielding Lightsabers, but ultimately it's the fear of those swirling blades that takes down Jedi, and not necessarily his combat prowess being greater than theirs:

IGN: Yeah, once things aren't going so well for him, he quickly cheats or calls in help.

Filoni: Yeah, it's in the movie. Mace Windu says, "General Grievous will run and hide, as he always does." He's an interesting character for all that thought. And obviously, you know, he's adept at using lightsabers, but I always thought his thing was fear. If you are afraid of the many swirling blades, then you'll parish staring at them. But if you can just focus through it, you can defeat that opponent -- like any video game!

I love Filoni.

That quote kinda trashes GG. The comment about him killing jedi because of their "fear of those swirling blades" makes jedi just seem like mooks who lose their nerve.

It's just his opinion, it doesn't really trash anything.

No I know, I just don't understand how he could have such a low opinion of Grievous. Jedi only die to him because him twirling his blades scares them, wtf is that rofl

Yeah... he's a funny dude

Originally posted by Trocity
That quote kinda trashes GG. The comment about him killing jedi because of their "fear of those swirling blades" makes jedi just seem like mooks who lose their nerve.

Actually he meant his situation of being a non-force sensitive more than ''swirling blade'' thing, he is not lowballing him imo, just that he thinks GG is overrated (what I understand from interview) and he thinks that GG has no chance to beat top duelists like Ventress, which is fine imho.

'' it's just me, but he doesn't have the Force. He can't wield it. I don't see how he can hope to be as proficient as a Jedi or a Sith could be fighting with a lightsaber, ''

Since, if Grievous as a non-force sensitive, can be a challange to top duelists, then why not Boba Fett or Jango Fett, Pre Vizsla etc. Without precog, it is really hard to duel with force sensitives.

Originally posted by Trocity
No I know, I just don't understand how he could have such a low opinion of Grievous. Jedi only die to him because him twirling his blades scares them, wtf is that rofl

Because their eyes can deceive them, when he swings those Sabers around so fast, it could seem to the Jedi like they have no chance. Hence the line "Your eyes can deceive you, don't trust them." (Kenobi to Luke SW:ANH).

Besides that's how Dooku has trained Grievous to fight Jedi, through surprise, fear and intimidation. That's how he's taught him to defeat the Jedi in LOE and in the OCW.

Darth Power be ignoring like three of my posts now while talking to other people. Get yourself a concession stand bro for real.

Originally posted by ILS
Darth Power be ignoring like three of my posts now while talking to other people. Get yourself a concession stand bro for real.

Because there's no point. I've given my points and evidences which you just ignore in favour of your Love for Grievous. So I've responded to some shorter posts by people who might be just a little open minded in favour of your long posts which just waste my time with you describing your love for Grievous and how you will never give up on him no matter what Filoni, Lucas or anyone else in charge of SW Canon thinks.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Because there's no point. I've given my points and evidences which you just ignore in favour of your Love for Grievous. So I've responded to some shorter posts by people who might be just a little open minded in favour of your long posts which just waste my time with you describing your love for Grievous and how you will never give up on him no matter what Filoni, Lucas or anyone else in charge of SW Canon thinks.

I've no problem with using Legends feats, but only if does not contradict with Canon.

For example, Grievous contradicts like hell with Canon, in this circumstance, I will choose Canon over Legends. Or Anakin's overhyped strength in Legends, which is contradicted with Canon.

This is why I am choosing to ignore those feats, not because they are non-canon, because their EU feats contradict with Canon feats. Otherwise I wouldn't make Darth Krayt respect thread at the first place since that character is not even exist in Canon.

Dude, Legends is it's own universe now. Most people debate Legends. It's just Lucas nuthuggers like you and DP who can't debate and resort to

"BUT IT WEREN'T IN LUCAS' VISION THO"

Marco, I read through your Krayt respect thread. The final quote "Still, Humans make up the bulk of the Sith. The natural chaos of their emotions is capable of producing the warping passion necessary to create a Sith Lord. Many of the most powerful, terrifying, and notorious Sith Lords through history have been Human or near-Human, including Exar Kun, [Darth Malak], Darth Bane, Darth Sidious, Darth Vader, and Darth Krayt" was found by me, not Sasukedc. Secondly, you cropped Darth Malak's name out of the quote. Why?

Originally posted by ILS
Dude, Legends is it's own universe now. Most people debate Legends. It's just Lucas nuthuggers like you and DP who can't debate and resort to

facepalm

Even in Legends Lucas's word was always final. Or were you not aware of the G, T and C canon hierarchy?

But Lucas's words actually mean less now that he's sold Lucasfilm. And Filoni's words actually mean more now that he's still creating new Canon for Lucasfilm.

And btw TCW was part of Legends continuity. Or do you not get where the 2 Universes get divided?

All that being said, your over-attachment to Legends is unhealthy considering it has been officially declared Non-Canon. You need to deal with that instead of complaining to people who bring that up.

I mean just look at this thread, the OP mentioned "ROTS" Grievous, yet you want to ignore Lucas's comments on him (Lucas made ROTS in case you didn't realize). The OP mentioned 2 versions of characters from TCW, yet you want to ignore TCW and the comments from the Director of TCW. Then you want to insist that it's the OCW Grievous in his super uberness that's the only relevant version of Grievous here, and that anyone who doesn't agree with that is simply wrong.

You need to wake up and deal with s*** brah.

Even in Legends Lucas's word was always final. Or were you not aware of the G, T and C canon hierarchy?

I mean just look at this thread, the OP brought mentioned ROTS Grievous, yet you want to ignore Lucas's comments on him (Lucas made ROTS in case you didn't realize) and you want to insist that it's the OCW Grievous in his super uberness that's the only relevant version of Grievous here, and that anyone who doesn't agree with it is wrong.

Btw bro, you should probably stop trying to open new debates with me if it's "not worth it". It just makes it look like you can't refute my arguments and will only reply to select quotes. Poor form indeed.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Marco, I read through your Krayt respect thread. The final quote "Still, Humans make up the bulk of the Sith. The natural chaos of their emotions is capable of producing the warping passion necessary to create a Sith Lord. Many of the most powerful, terrifying, and notorious Sith Lords through history have been Human or near-Human, including Exar Kun, [Darth Malak], Darth Bane, Darth Sidious, Darth Vader, and Darth Krayt" was found by [b]me, not Sasukedc. Secondly, you cropped Darth Malak's name out of the quote. Why? [/B]

Because newguy showed me like that without giving a credit to you.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
facepalm
Even in Legends Lucas's word was always final. Or were you not aware of the G, T and C canon hierarchy?

Nice put. 👆