Originally posted by DarthAnt66
He's either trolling or thinks Savage Opress is faster then Vader.
Don't talk to my half. And yes, Savage is faster than Vader. He reacted Anakin & Obi-Wan at the same time, more agile, more mobile, blitzed black sun leaders, disarmed Ventress, took of Plo Koon's mask before he can react, and doesn't have same low end feats Vader possess.
Originally posted by Marco1907
Darth Vader would get blitz just like Tiin and Kolar imo.
Nah.
Only if it's a full on Lightning blitz.
Vader is one of the most powerful Sith of all time, and Lucas even put him at 80% of Sidious, which I doubt he would if he could be blitzed on the level of Tiin, Kolar or Fisto.
He's just too much of a big gun to go down that easily.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Nah.Only if it's a full on Lightning blitz.
Vader is one of the most powerful Sith of all time, and Lucas even put him at 80% of Sidious, which I doubt he would if he could be blitzed on the level of Tiin, Kolar or Fisto.
He's just too much of a big gun to go down that easily.
I am looking all of his feats bro, I've read many Vader comics, and believe me he has lots of lowballing in terms of speed.
As you know, Lucas already explained Vader's speed. ''Crippled half droid half man''
I am planning on making a blog about how slow Vader really is, but it would be unpleasant lowballing so I am not sure about that yet.
Originally posted by Marco1907
If you count his low end feats, yes he should be. Because I won't ignore these battles, because no one mocked with Maul and Dooku's speed in any comic, or no one teleported behind of Maul and Dooku (Chona Bene teleported behind Vader) , or no one land a blow to Maul or Dooku via using agility.
Aren't you taking it out of context a bit? Circumstances do matter. Sidious is fast but he is not blitzing a duelist/force user such as Vader.
Not to mention, by Lucas and starwars.com, TPM Maul should be considerably faster than RotJ Vader.
Really?
Originally posted by Marco1907
And yes, Savage is faster than Vader.
Well, there you go Ant.
Originally posted by Sinious
Aren't you taking it out of context a bit? Circumstances do matter. Sidious is fast but he is not blitzing a duelist/force user such as Vader.
Did you ever think that why Sidious has two speciality in terms of combat ?
- Speed
- Lightning
And these two are weakness to Vader, is this a coincidence ? Is this why Vader never tried to challange Sidious all those years ? I don't think this is a coincidence.
Originally posted by Marco1907
Did you ever think that why Sidious has two speciality in terms of combat ?- Speed
- Lightning
And these two are weakness to Vader, is this a coincidence ? Is this why Vader never tried to challange Sidious all those years ? I don't think this is a coincidence.
Both of those were his specialities long before Vader got f'ed up on Mustafar.
Originally posted by Marco1907
I didn't understand your point. Yes it was his specialities before Mustafar. I am talking about Vader's weaknesses, I meant Lucas knowingly set Sidious's power set for Vader's weaknesses.
Thats %100 speculation as you try to guess what Lucas intended; unless you have something to prove it? Meanwhile in the story, Sidious has mastered both those specialities long before they became Vader's weaknesses which proves that Sidious did not reshape his mastery of his abilities to gain advantage against Vader.
Vader never opposed Sidious cause he knew he'd get himself killed. He was really scared of Sidious and he was with good reason.
Originally posted by Trocity
Vader doing front flips just seems so... awkward to me. He was so clunky in the movies, it gives people the wrong impression.
If you are right, then Lucas wouldn't say Vader is not fast as PT Jedi masters and Sith lords, he clearly meant that Vader at the same speed tier with old Ben Kenobi. Which is true in ANH Novelization as well.
Originally posted by ILS
Darth Vader, Lumiya, Galen Marek
Doesn't work at all... Palpatine ligthning over power Vader conter mesure so Vader out...
Galen Marek don't match palpatine when palpa understand than he cannot recruit him as his apprentice he just get kill in no time !!!
Lumiya?? Against sidious you are kidding me...
Originally posted by Marco1907
I am looking all of his feats bro, I've read many Vader comics, and believe me he has lots of lowballing in terms of speed.As you know, Lucas already explained Vader's speed. ''Crippled half droid half man''
I am planning on making a blog about how slow Vader really is, but it would be unpleasant lowballing so I am not sure about that yet.
Well Kenobi has a lot of low end feats as well. Getting put down by Cad Bane with Quinlan Vos's help for instance. But we don't just average out performances. At the same time we wouldn't take a 1 off peak perfomance like Rage enhanced Kenobi vs Maul in TPM, as the norm either.
But we should take his top consistent performances.
Plus you admit yourself if you made a blog on that it would be lowballing.
Also Vader improved throughout the OT, so his lower performances pre-ANH can be attributed to that.
Lucas says he's slowER than what he was. You can't just take that and assume he's on Tiin or Kolar's level of speed now.
But honestly I wouldn't fully trust one-off statements from Lucas 15 years back. He's been so inconsistent. He also said Old Ben and Vader were slow because they were Old, yet in his next movie he has Count Dooku come in whose older than both, yet goes toe to toe with Yoda. Just the 80% comment contradicts the idea of Vader being extremely slow.
I also doubt Disney going forward are going to bide by that one 15 year old comment of Lucas's about Vader's speed in ANH.
Originally posted by Revanchiste...
Doesn't work at all... Palpatine ligthning over power Vader conter mesure so Vader out...
Galen Marek don't match palpatine when palpa understand than he cannot recruit him as his apprentice he just get kill in no time !!!Lumiya?? Against sidious you are kidding me...
I dunno. I was trying to go for the bare minimum with that team tbh, I'm dubious myself if it would work out. It's more fun than just wrecking Sidious, though.