Create a strike team to kill ROTS Sidious

Originally posted by Sinious
Thats %100 speculation as you try to guess what Lucas intended. Meanwhile in the story, Sidious has mastered both those specialities long before they became Vader's weaknesses which proves that Sidious did not reshape his mastery of his abilities to gain advantage against Vader.

Vader never opposed Sidious cause he knew he'd get himself killed. Vader was really scared of Sidious and he did with good reason.

That's why I said ''Lucas'' not Sidious. That's why Darth Maul died with ridiculous way so Anakin had become Vader, that's why Yoda lost to Sidious, that's why Obi-Wan defeated him in Mustafar so he had become Vader, etc. all PT happened according to setting Vader right.

Of course Sidious never mastered these two abilities for gaining advantage against Vader. I meant plot of the whole series.

Originally posted by Sinious
A weaker incarnation of Vader could keep up with Maul and Maul didnt get blitzed by Sidious so why would Vader peak get blitzed?

This a technical matter you Know. Sidious have over mega power ligthnings.. maul is resistant to ligthning... But for vader even with his conter mesure that's his weak point...

I love the reboot of Vader in Ris of the Dark lord but I d'ont like the fact he perform ataru sequenceses.. It have no sens...

Galen get quasi Blitz by Palpatine when he understand than he cannot recruit galen as apprentice...

HoT Revan Vitiate is a good combo.

Originally posted by Marco1907
That's why I said ''Lucas'' not Sidious. That's why Darth Maul died with ridiculous way so Anakin had become Vader, that's why Yoda lose to Sidious, that's why Obi-Wan defeated him in Mustafar so he had become Vader, etc. all PT happened according to setting Vader right.

Of course Sidious never mastered these two abilities for gaining advantage against Vader. I meant plot of the whole series.

Well then thats why Vader couldn't easily defeat Obi-wan in ANH, thats why he lost to his son in ROTJ, thats why everything that happened in the story happened the way it did so that the rebels could win at the end of OT.

I don't get how any of this justify your lowballing comments on Vader's speed.

Originally posted by Marco1907
Don't talk to my half. And yes, Savage is faster than Vader. He reacted Anakin & Obi-Wan at the same time, more agile, more mobile, blitzed black sun leaders, disarmed Ventress, took of Plo Koon's mask before he can react, and doesn't have same low end feats Vader possess.

Vader has taken on much younger, powerful and acrobatic opponents :/ Galen was very talented as a duelist, as well his Clone, Celeste Morne and many other Jedi, he also bested an Ataru user like Dark Woman and many other jedi masters

He took off Koon's mask due to circumstance.

You mean Savage doesn't have the same feats as Vader, tanking lightsaber shots and surviving, tanking the rage and Lightning pylon amped force lightning of Starkiller and defeating a great number of jedi as well as having insane TK feats that vastly outstrip anything Savage has done.

Edit. Though, I do respect that even though you could so easily make a thread about Vader's feat, you choose not to as that would be very childish. Again, I respect that.

This thread has developed some serious brain damage in a matter of a couple of hours.

Originally posted by Revanchiste
This a technical matter you Know. Sidious have over mega power ligthnings.. maul is resistant to ligthning... But for vader even with his conter mesure that's his weak point...

I love the reboot of Vader in Ris of the Dark lord but I d'ont like the fact he perform ataru sequenceses.. It have no sens...

Originally posted by Revanchiste
Galen get quasi Blitz by Palpatine when he understand than he cannot recruit galen as apprentice...

HoT Revan Vitiate is a good combo.

I have no idea how any of this is relevant when debating speed.

Originally posted by Sinious
Well then thats why Vader couldn't easily defeat Obi-wan in ANH, thats why he lost to his son in ROTJ, thats why everything that happened in the story happened the way it did so that the rebels could win at the end of OT.

I don't get how any of this justify your lowballing comments on Vader's speed.

*sigh

I am not trying to lowball Vader, I am just telling the truth, because you know I don't like lying, that's why I've stood against Sheev vs. Mace Windu farce of entire CV.

Vader is powerful, and he has lots of ability which even Maul and Dooku don't have. But clearly he is not fast as top level beings. He is still fast though, but I am not going to put him in Maul or Dooku tier, that's my point of view.

Mace and Yoda.

Yoda alone stalemated Sidious and Mace alone either stalemated or defeated him. Either way, the two together should handle him.

Originally posted by Marco1907
@darthant

Do you think Vader is faster than Savage just because of those low level speed feats ?

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None of those feats were that great.

Originally posted by Nephthys
None of those feats were that great.

Originally posted by Marco1907
*sigh

I am not trying to lowball Vader, I am just telling the truth, because you know I don't like lying, that's why I've stood against Sheev vs. Mace Windu farce of entire CV.

Vader is powerful, and he has lots of ability which even Maul and Dooku don't have. But clearly he is not fast as top level beings. He is still fast though, but I am not going to put him in Maul or Dooku tier, that's my point of view.

I think you're misconceiving the slow, mechanical image of Vader. He is the chosen one and those mechanics stopped him from becoming faster than even Sidious but that doesn't mean he is very slow compared to other force users especially compared to Dooku and Maul since they are definitely not top level beings.

Originally posted by Nephthys
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None of those feats were that great.

All of them were better than moving your a saber fast enough to form a shield?

Umad Bane is slow and sucks in every way compared to Vader?

Originally posted by Sinious
I think you're misconceiving the slow, mechanical image of Vader. He is the chosen one and those mechanics stopped him from becoming faster than even Sidious but that doesn't mean he is very slow compared to other force users especially compared to Dooku and Maul since they are definitely not top level beings.

Actually, this is not about mechanics, Vader has a breathing apparatus and a heavy armor. Which makes him 'not fast' as Anakin, Obi-Wan, Savage, Asajj, Fisto, Maul, Dooku etc. like the top level duelists from PT.

From Rebels Magazine, from Vader vs. Maul comparison ;

Weakness;

- Heavy outfit and breathing apparatus make it diffucult for him to launch a surprise attack.

Marco you can't use that, that is Legends canon

So Neph is the reason of all this Bane hate now?

@ Marco:

That's like saying Maul sucks cause he tried to kill Kenobi with his saber's sparks and failed shamefully.

That info does not contradict with Canon. I don't see a problem.

Originally posted by Marco1907

Weakness;

- Heavy outfit and breathing apparatus make it diffucult for him to launch a surprise attack.

That's not saying he's slow. It's saying he's loud.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
That's not saying he's slow. It's saying he's loud.

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Originally posted by DARTH POWER
That's not saying he's slow. It's saying he's loud.

Heavy outfit ?