Originally posted by carthage
but maybe if you had bothered reading instead of spouting off. ILS was referencing my post and speaking solely about dueling skill not force abilities.
Originally posted by carthage
Kolar> Satele
Neither of you even used the words "lightsaber combat" in this entire thread until after I posted. I mean reading simpleminded posts are easy but not to the point where I can guess what specifically you are arguing without mentioning it.
Continue wanking TOR though lmao
Are you kidding me? I attack Legend on his bullshit almost every time he posts, I am not remotely close to being on that side.
Originally posted by ILSlet's just say Kolar did put satele on her back foot in a lightsaber duel. What them? Satele resorts to her force powers, trying to crush him under a tree or palming a lightsaber. Satele utterly outranks Kolar in the force so he wins a lightsaber duel just to get defeated with the force.
Based is developing a habit of leaping into debates about Force power when I'm talking about dueling skill.Even accounting for Satele's Force power, if she engaged in a duel with Agen Kolar there isn't much to suggest that he couldn't dismember her in roughly the same time he could have done so to Quinlan Vos.
The folly of your argument is that you are trying to say dueling skills trump force abilities because a duelist can kill an opponent before they resort to the force, and that is simply untrue.
wtflol read what, exactly? You mean your only post in this thread?
I'm guessing your reading comprehension is still shit. Neither ILS or I denied that Satele would take Kolar or Kenobi out via the force, we were speaking specifically about dueling. Maybe you should not judge by a single post, but given that you always wank Satele (usually showing up in every thread of hers)I know it must be hard.
Neither of you even used the words "lightsaber combat" in this entire thread until after I posted. I mean reading simpleminded posts are easy but not to the point where I can guess what specifically you are arguing without mentioning it.
Lol
e you kidding me? I attack Legend on his bullshit almost every time he posts, I am not remotely close to being on that side.
Right
Originally posted by BasedDude, why do you care so much about it? You assumed wrongly about what I meant, and I wasn't even talking to you in the first place - simple as that. You rarely produce anything worth reading as it is, little rants like this aren't helping matters.
I assumed you were talking about an all out fight as what the OP stated. Your previous posts mentioned nothing of only lightsaber combat and skill.Your first post noted your lack of reading skills.
Your second post admitted a lack of reading skills.
Your third post states that "Satele is in the same ballpark as Quinlan Vos" which I assumed meant an all out battle per the OP. And while I do admit that you say that her "fighting style" was in terms of lightsaber combat I assumed that quality had that to do with force prowess rather than lightsaber skill because your previous posts had nothing to say about the topic and rather about your lack of reading skills.So forgive my assumptions but there was a reason for them in the first place.
Carthage's post "Kolar> Satele" I assumed again was within his style of lowball trolling which he does in every thread. Since the OP again was an all out battle and not purely sabers I assumed he meant in totality Kolar> Satele.
I don't know y u so mad here, ILS.
Originally posted by WildBantha88On her back? Why wouldn't he cut her in half? When he was fighting Quinlan Vos he could have easily taken his arm off. In a fight with a stranger who he isn't trying to apprehend you can bet that that arm is coming off. Which is my point - Satele is generally someone who likes to duel, so if she does that with Kolar for even the briefest of durations she's going to end up dismembered. There is potential for her lashing out with the Force but I don't see it.
let's just say Kolar did put satele on her back foot in a lightsaber duel. What them? Satele resorts to her force powers, trying to crush him under a tree or palming a lightsaber. Satele utterly outranks Kolar in the force so he wins a lightsaber duel just to get defeated with the force.The folly of your argument is that you are trying to say dueling skills trump force abilities because a duelist can kill an opponent before they resort to the force, and that is simply untrue.
Originally posted by carthage
specifically about dueling. Maybe you should not judge by a single post
You never mentioned light saber combat at all. I'm actually trying desperately to understand how your mind works here.
The winner of this macthup in any facet is irrelevant. Since when did you at all mention that you were only talking about saber combat? Answer the question ffs.
Originally posted by ILS
Dude, why do you care so much about it?
Unless I'm missing out on some deleted posts, the sequence of posts in this thread talked about all out combat. Not once did you use the word lightsaber at all which is why I'm confused.
You rarely produce anything worth reading as it is, little rants like this aren't helping matters.
yeah u mad.
You never mentioned light saber combat at all. I'm actually trying desperately to understand how your mind works here.The winner of this macthup in any facet is irrelevant. Since when did you at all mention that you were only talking about saber combat? Answer the question ffs.
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I never disagreed that She would win in an all out match against Kolar. Again he mentioned their skill relating to dueling, none of us mentioned anything about force abilities you were the only one that did:
Originally posted by Based
Except her force powers are on a completely different tier than Vos.
Originally posted by ILS
Pretty much. [b]Satele is in the same ballpark as Quinlan Vos, in terms of quality and fighting style
Originally posted by ILS
No, I referenced Satele's quality as a duelist and her use of Ataru in the context of putting her in Vos' place when Kolar thrashed him, which has nothing to do with Force power and everything to do with dueling ability.
You were the only one that brought up force abilities genius
Originally posted by ILS
On her back? Why wouldn't he cut her in half? When he was fighting Quinlan Vos he could have easily taken his arm off.
Except that version of Vos, was considered by Dooku to be of Atrocious skill 😬 People forget that Quinlan only "beat" Bulq after training for awhile. Satele could beat Kolar in force and sabers.
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Except that version of Vos, was considered by Dooku to be of Atrocious skill 😬 People forget that Quinlan only "beat" Bulq after training for awhile.
Dooku considers Grievous to have atrocious technique as well. It's not that people have forgotten, it simply that you have yet to prove that he's gained substantially enough for it to be relevant.
The claim was made that Kolar>Satele in an all out fight. ILS agreed with that by talking about how Kolar is her superior in lightsaber combat. Based responded by pointing out Satele's superior force powers in the context of an all out fight.
The context was never changed from that of an all out fight, Based responded to the context of the all-out fight, Based got unfairly shit on, and despite numerous attempts to try and explain this very simple thing, Based is still getting unfairly shit on.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Dooku considers Grievous to have atrocious technique as well. It's not that people have forgotten, it simply that you have yet to prove that he's gained substantially enough for it to be relevant.
He goes from being defeated by Kolar, to holding his own against a Vaapad master that fought against Mace Windu 😐
You were the only one that brought up force abilities geniusPretty much this.
Based is 100% right here. He's being unfairly shit on for "not grasping a point" that was never even made to begin with. The whole insulting of Based in this thread is unjustified bullshit.Oh cry me a river. The guy prances around in every thread trying to catch people out, and when unsuccessful says "yeh u mad" a few times before leaving. Not only is he a troll, he's an exceptionally shite one.
Except that version of Vos, was considered by Dooku to be of Atrocious skill erm People forget that Quinlan only "beat" Bulq after training for awhile. Satele could beat Kolar in force and sabers.Dooku has spoken ill of Maul, Ventress, Grievous, and more in terms of their dueling - his word carries no weight, plus he's usually referencing their approach to combat and choice of technique rather than skill. For instance, he detests Ataru because of it's pointless energy consuming acrobatics, which is the Form Vos uses primarily. He detests Grievous' lack of finesse in his dueling. He hates the way Ventress, Maul and Grievous choose to use more than one blade in combat.
Vos did improve by the time he was taking on Bulq, and I believe even after the fight with Bulq he improved due to the fact he became better at keeping a clear head. But that's not to say he was an abhorrent duelist before being trained by Dooku. He has feats like casually subduing Tol Skorr and Cadrian Sey on a Dark Side nexus. Not to say they are amazing duelists, but the nexus, their number advantage, and the nature in which Vos defeated them makes the feat more impressive. There's also the fact Vos was superior to Aayla Secura around this time period, judging by their fights against common opponents (the Morgukai), and Aayla was able to defeat Aurra Sing, who has accolades like being one of the most deadly beings in the galaxy, and has been able to challenge various Jedi, even TPM Jinn and Kenobi simultaneously from what I hear.
The main point being - Vos, even at this point, was roughly as skilled as Satele, and Kolar pretty much could have left him in pieces if he really wanted to. Satele shouldn't really be any different, especially because she has an affinity for dueling. She can use the Force in some scenarios but more often than not I would see Kolar dismembering her before she got the chance.
He goes from being defeated by Kolar, to holding his own against a Vaapad master that fought against Mace WinduKolar is a better duelist than Bulq. The main reason Bulq dueled evenly with Mace Windu was due to their familiarity with each other's fighting style, akin to how Anakin and Obi-Wan can prolong fights due to their intrinsic knowledge of how one another fight. When Bulq lacked this knowledge against a duelist of equal calibre - Dooku - he and Tholme were wrecked simultaneously. Admittedly partly by the Force, but Dooku disarmed Bulq despite being confronted by the two of them. Kolar absolutely wrecking Quinlan puts him closer to Dooku than Bulq. And I do believe regardless that Bulq is, at this moment in time, somewhat more skilled than Vos, but Vos is at least good enough to hold his own against him.