Originally posted by thingy150
Somebody is biased against dc characters.
You asked how Thor would get past the Astro Harness? Mjonir has some very high defensive feats. An inexperienced Superman was taken out by an ersatz Predator. Does that mean that this creature would defeat Thor? Orion does not somehow translate to Superman.
Orion is not stronger than the Hulk, or Superman let's not even go down that road. Superman and the Hulk, are the only characters that have been written to overcome any physical challenge in their respective Universes. It's just the way that things have always been. Physically Thor and Orion are basically the same character, so it can go either way, but at their best, it would likely be a stalemate.
Originally posted by Stoic
You asked how Thor would get past the Astro Harness? Mjonir has some very high defensive feats. An inexperienced Superman was taken out by an ersatz Predator. Does that mean that this creature would defeat Thor? Orion does not somehow translate to Superman.Orion is not stronger than the Hulk, or Superman let's not even go down that road. Superman and the Hulk, are the only characters that have been written to overcome any physical challenge in their respective Universes. It's just the way that things have always been. Physically Thor and Orion are basically the same character, so it can go either way, but at their best, it would likely be a stalemate.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8f/ByeByeDarkseid.PNG
He did this to darkseid, orion should always be more powerful than superman, just because superman is popular does not mean that you have to say he is more powerful than orion.
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/POS-045-20.jpg
He was able to take on the likes of black adam, who is more powerful than superman in my opinion(especially because he does not hold back)
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/35217/1490578-actioncomics586p11.jpg
The astro force can destroy worlds, it is ridiculously powerful.
This is a low showing in my opinion but even then it says he and superman are evenly matched in power level.
Originally posted by thingy150
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8f/ByeByeDarkseid.PNGHe did this to darkseid, orion should always be more powerful than superman, just because superman is popular does not mean that you have to say he is more powerful than orion.
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/POS-045-20.jpg
He was able to take on the likes of black adam, who is more powerful than superman in my opinion(especially because he does not hold back)
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/35217/1490578-actioncomics586p11.jpg
The astro force can destroy worlds, it is ridiculously powerful.
This is a low showing in my opinion but even then it says he and superman are evenly matched in power level.
Thor's Hammer was able to contain power great enough level a large portion of a galaxy.
Orion is not more powerful than Superman. This has nothing to do with popularity. Superman hold's back. Suoerman straight up beat the mess out of Darkseid. Darkseid wasn't even able to open his eyes.
Black Adam is a cream puff compared to Doomsday. Superman took him down. If Superman fought Black Adam, or Orion, the way that he fought Doomsday, he would twist their sh!t.
Superman can also amplify his stats with solar energy, and make what may seem like a challenge from BA, and Orion, to a stomp fest.
Orion is also very fast(he did this while blind)
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/a286a3f9.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/jkfw-09-09.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/jkfw-09-10.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/jkfw-09-11.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/jkfw-09-11.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/jkfw-09-13.jpg
Here he wrecks kalibak
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/jkfw-17-10.jpg
He can create force fields
He also has magnetic powers, orion is awesome.
Originally posted by Stoic
Thor's Hammer was able to contain power great enough level a large portion of a galaxy.Orion is not more powerful than Superman. This has nothing to do with popularity. Superman hold's back. Suoerman straight up beat the mess out of Darkseid. Darkseid wasn't even able to open his eyes.
Black Adam is a cream puff compared to Doomsday. Superman took him down. If Superman fought Black Adam, or Orion, the way that he fought Doomsday, he would twist their sh!t.
Superman can also amplify his stats with solar energy, and make what may seem like a challenge from BA, and Orion, to a stomp fest.
Are you saying that superman is more powerful than orion? I just put out numerous scans to prove otherwise, like him 1 shotting superman and it stating they are even in power.
Your speculation is not greater than the scans i put out. Orion put his hand straight through darkseids chest, how does superman fighting darkseid make him superior to orion?
Orion also stomped kalibak with a single blow(scan would not upload)
Instead of speculation prove to me superman is greater than orion, oh wait you cant because i already put out scans that prove otherwise.
Originally posted by thingy150
Orion is also very fast(he did this while blind)
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/a286a3f9.jpghttp://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/jkfw-09-09.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/jkfw-09-10.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/jkfw-09-11.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/jkfw-09-11.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/jkfw-09-13.jpg
Here he wrecks kalibakhttp://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/jkfw-17-10.jpg
He can create force fieldsHe also has magnetic powers, orion is awesome.
Do I have to pull up all of the Thor respect feats to show you that Orion is no more impressive than he is? Thor can do some pretty crazy things as well. Orion has yet to show anything that would make me think that he is above Thor. Have you seen how fast the Hulk actually is? He can actually move as a blur as well. Thor is able to keep up with him. Power wise, I think that they're about the same. Combat wise is just about the same as well.
Originally posted by Stoic
Do I have to pull up all of the Thor respect feats to show you that Orion is no more impressive than he is? Thor can do some pretty crazy things as well. Orion has yet to show anything that would make me think that he is above Thor. Have you seen how fast the Hulk actually is? He can actually move as a blur as well. Thor is able to keep up with him. Power wise, I think that they're about the same. Combat wise is just about the same as well.
Lol are you seriously going to argue for thor by using hulk speed feats? Hulk does not have any speed feats to contend with orion and orion has moved as a blur also...
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/af6cad34.jpg
Orion has one shotted superman and put his fist through darkseid, thor has been put down by less(hulk)
Originally posted by thingy150\
Lol are you seriously going to argue for thor by using hulk speed feats? Hulk does not have any speed feats to contend with orion and orion has moved as a blur also...http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/af6cad34.jpg
Orion has one shotted superman and put his fist through darkseid, thor has been put down by less(hulk)
How well do you think Orion would do against Glory? I mean if you want to actually bring up power disparity, or the underdog syndrome. The Hulk is a completely different beast, and if he let go, and allowed himself to go completely berserk, Orion would be crushed by him. You don't want to get into a strength feat war against the hulk concerning Orion. The Hulk actually does have good speed feats, it's his agility that's isn't as great. But this isn't about the hulk or Superman vs Orion, it's about Thor vs Orion, because we all know that their power sets are completely different. You obviously want Orion to appear superior to Thor, but that would be an impossibility. With Thor's long history, it would be very difficult for him to beat Thor if you wanted to wage a feat war against him.
Originally posted by Stoic
\How well do you think Orion would do against Glory? I mean if you want to actually bring up power disparity, or the underdog syndrome. The Hulk is a completely different beast, and if he let go, and allowed himself to go completely berserk, Orion would be crushed by him. You don't want to get into a strength feat war against the hulk concerning Orion. The Hulk actually does have good speed feats, it's his agility that's isn't as great. But this isn't about the hulk or Superman vs Orion, it's about Thor vs Orion, because we all know that their power sets are completely different. You obviously want Orion to appear superior to Thor, but that would be an impossibility. With Thor's long history, it would be very difficult for him to beat Thor if you wanted to wage a feat war against him.
Okay all i see is you claiming things, how does that further the thread. Me using orion beating superman is not "completely different" it is showing orions power lvl. You saying "hulk actually does have good speed feats" does nothing, you have shown nothing and all you are doing is claiming something with nothing to back up that said claim. Orion is too versatile and fast for the hulk so dont even try and say that he would lose to him. Again you are just randomly claiming things, just saying that thor is better does nothing to further this thread or conversation. The way you further a debate is with evidence and facts(feats) which i have provided and you have done nothing to counter. If you want to make an argument do that don't just proclaim someone better, that's not how you win a debate.
Originally posted by Golgo13
BTW, Orion's recent appearances in GL have been pretty good. With his showing against Mogo and Hal Jordan, treating top tier/trans Green Lanterns as fodder is quite impressive.
Loved those feats, i was thinking that since thor is a more popular character with a lot more feats to choose from i would allow new 52 feats. Do you think i should?
If i did he would win with this feat alone
http://media.comicbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/wonder-woman-gets-slapped.jpg
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Originally posted by Golgo13
Orion has been in many battles where he was the underdog. Most top tiers have. Orion can match Thor/
Not nearly as many as Thor has been in. Orion has Darkseid to raise his stock. Thor has Galactus, Ego, Celestials, Glory, Mangog, The entire Masters of Evil, Gladiator, Perrikus... etc. Anyone thinking that Orion would walk in and beat the mess out of Thor are kidding themselves. On the other hand I don't believe that Thor would do more than stalemate against Orion based on his feats.
This 7/10 thing simply wouldn't happen. i think a battle between the two would be as close a match as Superman vs DOS Doomsday.
