Thor Vs Orion

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/67877/2412022-countdown2p19.jpg

Not the full fight but orion has beaten darkseid.

WHAT DO SUPERMAN FEATS HAVE TO DO WITH ORION BEING STATED ON HIS LEVEL AND BEATING HIM BEFORE.

All those scans show is that orion is on the level of a person who has all those scans.

You cannot argue against orion being on superman level because he has been stated to be on his level and one shotted him.

No amount of scans with make your argument viable because orion is and has been stated to be on his level.

So statements is always accurate?

Originally posted by carver9
So statements is always accurate?

the statement while they are fighting equally along with the fact orion has beaten him already, yes in this case all the evidence is there.

Superman holds back though unless you think everyone that gives Superman a fight is his equal?

Lol superman cant hold back his durability and you cannot say that he was holding back when they were stated to be the same levels also.

superman and black adam fought evenly and superman was pissed and said he did not have to hold back with adam. Orion also fought adam evenly.

you cant prove superman was holding back and it is impossible to hold back durability.

Superman can hold back all of his stats.

Originally posted by thingy150
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/67877/2412022-countdown2p19.jpg

Not the full fight but orion has beaten darkseid.

No amount of scans with make your argument viable because orion is and has been stated to be on his level.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Due to the prophecy.

When he surprised Superman? Barda has KOED Byrne Superman with sucker shots too. Do we count her as Superman level too?

Circular reasoning? Nice.

His level? Sure. His equal, **** no.

Lol he did not surprise him, as i have shown superman was completely aware they were fighting and superman even got the first shot in.

Lol they are equal mister miracle states "those two are so evenly matched" what are you even talking about?
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/72524/1486546-superman_vs_orion.jpg

I have backed up my entire argument with scans and your only counter is that you feel superman is better even tho you have zero proof.

ORION KNOCKING OUT SUPERMAN AND BEING STATED TO BE HIS EQUAL IS NOT CIRCULAR REASONING DUMBASS.

Your speculation is not greater than what has been stated.

Originally posted by thingy150
Lol superman cant hold back his durability and you cannot say that he was holding back when they were stated to be the same levels also.

superman and black adam fought evenly and superman was pissed and said he did not have to hold back with adam. Orion also fought adam evenly.

you cant prove superman was holding back and it is impossible to hold back durability.

The Orion and Black Adam scene wasnt even a fight. Orion surprised Adam with a hit and that was it. That isn't a fight.

Superman holds back.

Ya know what Thingy? You're doing many of the things you've accused others of doing. Ignoring context, ignoring examples people have shown you, ect. And I find it hilarious you claim to have read most(or did you say all?) of Orion's appearances, and say Superman can't hold back his durability. I find it hilarious because one of Orion's early Post-CRISIS appearances is in a storyline that shows Superman does indeed do that, since he can actually become powerless due to his mind.

But anyways, I like the idea of this topic and don't want it to get closed. How about instead of derailing it with your insistence of Orion=/>Superman, you make a new topic or find and top an old one and Abhi and I can destroy you there? Since it's Thanksgiving, I'm going to guess it won't be until tonight or tomorrow. That's fine, I'm just killing time before family gets here myself.

Originally posted by Golgo13
1. 50/50.
2. Orion 7/10

Originally posted by Delta1938
Ya know what Thingy? You're doing many of the things you've accused others of doing. Ignoring context, ignoring examples people have shown you, ect. And I find it hilarious you claim to have read most(or did you say all?) of Orion's appearances, and say Superman can't hold back his durability. I find it hilarious because one of Orion's early Post-CRISIS appearances is in a storyline that shows Superman does indeed do that, since he can actually become powerless due to his mind.

But anyways, I like the idea of this topic and don't want it to get closed. How about instead of derailing it with your insistence of Orion=/>Superman, you make a new topic or find and top an old one and Abhi and I can destroy you there? Since it's Thanksgiving, I'm going to guess it won't be until tonight or tomorrow. That's fine, I'm just killing time before family gets here myself.

Lol derailing the thread with scans? Your comment brings tears to my eyes, of course the tears are due to me laughing so hard at you blatant ignorance. Lol derailing the thread with feats, you should quit while you are ahead.

Originally posted by thingy150
Lol derailing the thread with scans? Your comment brings tears to my eyes, of course the tears are due to me laughing so hard at you blatant ignorance. Lol derailing the thread with feats, you should quit while you are ahead.

The topic is titled "Thor vs Orion." Abhi and I correcting you has turned it into Superman vs Orion. That's the derailing of the thread. So reading comprehension fail on your part.

Originally posted by Delta1938
The topic is titled "Thor vs Orion." Abhi and I correcting you has turned it into Superman vs Orion. That's the derailing of the thread. So reading comprehension fail on your part.

No, you are the one who turned it into superman vs orion, you started debating against orions feats specifically orions beating superman. I used it as a feat to further the thread and you argued against it making this thread about superman vs orion.

orion is superman lvl btw.

Originally posted by thingy150
No, you are the one who turned it into superman vs orion, you started debating against orions feats specifically orions beating superman. I used it as a feat to further the thread and you argued against it making this thread about superman vs orion.

orion is superman lvl btw.

We have been correcting you on the showing things out of context and ignoring other examples. The exact things you've been complaining others of doing in this very thread. Correcting your claims is not the same as it being a Superman vs Orion thread. It's TURNED INTO THAT because of you doing exactly what you've complained others of doing. I'm not sure if your reply is a continued reading comprehension fail, or grasping at straws to try and salvage your fail.

Either way, you can make or top a Superman vs Orion thread and be destroyed there on your claims here, instead of this continuing to be a Superman vs Orion thread. Or do I need to?

Battle zone it.

Originally posted by Delta1938
We have been correcting you on the showing things out of context and ignoring other examples. The exact things you've been complaining others of doing in this very thread. Correcting your claims is not the same as it being a Superman vs Orion thread. It's TURNED INTO THAT because of you doing exactly what you've complained others of doing. I'm not sure if your reply is a continued reading comprehension fail, or grasping at straws to try and salvage your fail.

Either way, you can make or top a Superman vs Orion thread and be destroyed there on your claims here, instead of this continuing to be a Superman vs Orion thread. Or do I need to?

You said that i posted superman vs orion out of context multiple times when I POSTED THE ENTIRE FIGHT PAGES AGO AND NOW YOU ARE SAYING THE I POSTED AN OUT OF CONTEXT SCAN WHEN REALLY I DID NOT FEEL LIKE POSTING THE ENTIRE FIGHT AGAIN.

Just because you were not here when i posted the ****ing scans does not mean it did not happen.

Originally posted by thingy150
You said that i posted superman vs orion out of context multiple times when I POSTED THE ENTIRE FIGHT PAGES AGO AND NOW YOU ARE SAYING THE I POSTED AN OUT OF CONTEXT SCAN WHEN REALLY I DID NOT FEEL LIKE POSTING THE ENTIRE FIGHT AGAIN.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Superman straight-up says Orion surprised him.

You also leave-out that this was Superman in his early days. SUPERMAN CONFIDENTIAL takes place in Superman's first year or so. Superman's had multiple power-ups between this and later fights, so if you complain "bad writing" because Superman takes the Astro-Force and doesn't get KOed in later fights, citing SUPERMAN CONFIDENTIAL #9 doesn't do much even if we ignore Superman's narration of being surprised.

You ignore the scan showed that indicates writer intent. And that Superman was physically weaker. Or at least you did. You say "young Superman" but I don't know if you're actually acknowledging Superman's subsequent power-ups that chronologically(not when they were published) take place after this fight. Superman's failed to be KOed by the Astro-Force multiple times after(canon-wise) your feat, including when Orion wants to kill Superman IIRC.