Originally posted by Stoic
That does not matter. Pre Crisis is not canon to present day characters. You have to come up with more footage than that. Those scans are to be ignored like they did not ever happen according to forum rules.He did fight Mantis post Crisis. Death of the New Gods shows how far above Mantis Orion actually is, and to be honest Orion made Mantis look pretty pitiful. Thor would take him out as well IMO.
You are bringing up low showings in order to make it seem like Thor can't deal with speed, when he was actually dealing with uncanny agility, and unorthodox fighting styles. Most characters would be slightly put off by a nearly indestructible berserker with razor sharp claws, and a crazy healing factor. Again in a forum math Thor never has to allow either of them to get within striking distance. You bringing this up on more than one occasion shows me that you are attempting to undermine Thor's capabilities, which comes off like a low ball. This doesn't surprise me after you posting Thor being blind sided by the Hulk, while not suspecting that his mind was taken over by Thanos.
So yes you are low balling. Gladiator is faster than Orion. Thor has beaten him which shows that he can deal with Orion's speed. You disagree, but have yet to mention why? Even if you mentioned it, it does not take away from the fact that Gladiator is faster than Orion.
I have already disproved that gladiator is faster than orion, get some scans try and prove otherwise. Gladiator does not have REACTION TIME feats. Just stop lying and saying he is faster than orion. Thor is slower than wolverine in reaction time, fighting gladiator is not a reaction time feat because gladiator does not have reaction time feats himself. Your argument has been destroyed so now you are just making things up and providing no evidence.
You have provided no scans and your argument is full of lies such as gladiator having reaction time to match orion.
If you want to prove gladiator has reaction time on par with orion, provide scans, the reason you wont is because the scans don't exist.
PROVIDE REACTION TIME FEATS IT IS THAT SIMPLE, YOU HAVE YET TO PROVE ANYTHING.
Originally posted by Stoic
Thor can use Mjolnir to shield himself from Orion's Astro Force. What else do you have?
Use scans, you have not proven anything because you wont sue scans, you saying things does not do anything to further the thread. Is it really that hard to understand? Are you joking right now?
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/9357/orion05p19.th.jpg
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/7425/orion05p20.th.jpg
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/4985/orion05p21.th.jpg
Just like he does to darkseids omega beams he could reverse thors attacks.
Originally posted by thingy150
I have already disproved that gladiator is faster than orion, get some scans try and prove otherwise. Gladiator does not have REACTION TIME feats. Just stop lying and saying he is faster than orion. Thor is slower than wolverine in reaction time, fighting gladiator is not a reaction time feat because gladiator does not have reaction time feats himself. Your argument has been destroyed so now you are just making things up and providing no evidence.You have provided no scans and your argument is full of lies such as gladiator having reaction time to match orion.
If you want to prove gladiator has reaction time on par with orion, provide scans, the reason you wont is because the scans don't exist.
PROVIDE REACTION TIME FEATS IT IS THAT SIMPLE, YOU HAVE YET TO PROVE ANYTHING.
Gladiator is so fast that Reed Richards had to use a time dilation device to keep up with him. When did anyone ever have to do that with Orion? I don't have to provide reaction feats if there are none to give. How about I ask you to go feat for feat with Thor and Orion? You can't you know why? Because Orion does not have as many appearances as Thor does, or half as many feats. You would lose a feat war. Gladiator is a D list character, so he does not have the appearances that Orion has. This does not somehow mean that a guy that needs time dilation devices to keep up with him can not react faster than Orion. You should be careful of attempting to be so demanding, or I can demand that you match feat for feat between Thor, and Orion, knowing full well that you would not be able to keep up. So try to keep up.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol@ Gladiator not having reaction fts when he has light speed punching fts.
I know right. I said that Gladiator was faster than Orion, and he comes up with reaction feats which in his mind somehow shut down that Thor is capable of of beating very fast opponents that actually use their speed in fights.
Originally posted by Stoic
Gladiator is so fast that Reed Richards had to use a time dilation device to keep up with him. When did anyone ever have to do that with Orion? I don't have to provide reaction feats if there are none to give. How about I ask you to go feat for feat with Thor and Orion? You can't you know why? Because Orion does not have as many appearances as Thor does, or half as many feats. You would lose a feat war. Gladiator is a D list character, so he does not have the appearances that Orion has. This does not somehow mean that a guy that needs time dilation devices to keep up with him can not react faster than Orion. You should be careful of attempting to be so demanding, or I can demand that you match feat for feat between Thor, and Orion, knowing full well that you would not be able to keep up. So try to keep up.
Lol i already have a reaction feat that is thors, glads feats do not transfer when thor already has one of his own that is basically pathetic.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114474/3575114-thor.jpg
I have already showed this but clearly you have not listened, thor says himself that wolverine is faster...that is how bad thors reaction time is, wolverine is faster than him.
What are you talking about "gladiator is a D list character so he does not have the appearances that orion has" lol this does nothing to further your debate and orion is a D list character also so what are you talking about.
You have done nothing to counter any of my scans.
Originally posted by Stoic
I know right. I said that Gladiator was faster than Orion, and he comes up with reaction feats which in his mind somehow shut down that Thor is capable of of beating very fast opponents that actually use their speed in fights.
Thor not being as fast as wolverine shut your argument up and the fact that you have not proven any of your claims about gladiator..all of your posts are just you talking no scans no logic just you babbling.
Originally posted by thingy150
Lol i already have a reaction feat that is thors, glads feats do not transfer when thor already has one of his own that is basically pathetic.http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114474/3575114-thor.jpg
I have already showed this but clearly you have not listened, thor says himself that wolverine is faster...that is how bad thors reaction time is, wolverine is faster than him.
What are you talking about "gladiator is a D list character so he does not have the appearances that orion has" lol this does nothing to further your debate and orion is a D list character also so what are you talking about.
You have done nothing to counter any of my scans.
No, you want to know what's pathetic? Someone not using their brains to come to the simple conclusion that if character A is capable of moving beyond light speed, that they would not have the capacity to react or dodge something moving towards them at a slower rate of speed than they are capable of, when they can avoid collisions while moving at the speed that they are actually capable of. It goes without saying that Gladiator has the reactions of a character that can move as fast as he does. This is basic logic unless you believe that Gladiator crashes into objects regularly, while flying through space? I mean is that what you actually believe?
Also being a D list character means that he has far less feats, and appearances than an A list character. Did I really have to explain that to you? i mean honestly, he only has so many appearances, and he's been around for decades.
I have also already told you that Wolverine would never defeat Thor in a forum match. Do you know why?
Originally posted by Stoic
No, you want to know what's pathetic? Someone not using their brains to come to the simple conclusion that if character A is capable of moving beyond light speed, that they would not have the capacity to react or dodge something moving towards them at a slower rate of speed than they are capable of, when they can avoid collisions while moving at the speed that they are actually capable of. It goes without saying that Gladiator has the reactions of a character that can move as fast as he does. This is basic logic unless you believe that Gladiator crashes into objects regularly, while flying through space? I mean is that what you actually believe?Also being a D list character means that he has far less feats, and appearances than an A list character. Did I really have to explain that to you? i mean honestly, he only has so many appearances, and he's been around for decades.
I have also already told you that Wolverine would never defeat Thor in a forum match. Do you know why?
Are you joking, speed does not mean reaction time, there are multiple characters who only have superspeed, it has never been shown or stated what gladiator reaction time is and gladiator was rushed by hulk. SPEED DOES NOT MEAN REACTION TIME, NOW YOU HAVE TO PULL STUFF OUT OF YOUR A$$ JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE LOSING THIS ARGUMENT. Thor is slower than wolverine, that does not mean wolverine would beat him in a fight but he is slower(as stated by thor himself)
A character being unpopular does not mean you get to make up that characters reaction time, so stop trying to.
You have no scans of gladiator going really fast and not crashing into thing. The only scan he has of him being stated of going ftl is when he was in space and not moving, this does nothing to further his reaction time. Your argument is started to bore me simply because you don't have one.
Orion is faster than thor, i have proven this, you have done nothing to counter that except for whine about canon scans and whine about gladiator being a d list character.
Originally posted by thingy150
Do you seriously not understand that flight speed and reaction time are 2 different thing, Thor can go ftl but wolverine still has better reaction time than him.
Do you not understand that Gladiator has "punched" at light speed which means he has nano seconds reflexes?
