Do you care if others believe what you do?

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
It doesn't matter about our certainty of the truth. No matter how right I'm convinced I am, it's my truth, even if others agree with me about it. Proselytize about Satan's non-existence all you want and insist that this truth you speak is THE truth.

Your insistence regarding this belief is no different than some Christian's insistence regarding yours. Your truth is correct to you, their truth is correct to them, mine to mine. I agree with you about this one, and I'll disagree with you about another. I'll push my beliefs about something, just as you're pushing yours now. But don't do yourself such disservice by insisting that your attempts to push your own version of the truth on others isn't really pushing because it's so obviously the truth. Your pushing your viewpoint on others. Pretty much everyone here is.

pretty clear... i don't think he gets it though...

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Originally posted by Star428
...and, of course, people like me who say that both God and Satan exist don't actually believe what we're saying. We're saying it just for shits and giggles. 🙄

And I really, really don't believe in Satan. And I am not saying that for "shits and giggles".

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
It doesn't matter about our certainty of the truth. No matter how right I'm convinced I am, it's my truth, even if others agree with me about it. Proselytize about Satan's non-existence all you want and insist that this truth you speak is THE truth...

So, an atheist who tells someone that god does not exist is proselytizing a belief about god's non-existence in a religious manner?

Does a teacher that is teaching evolution push that belief onto his/her students?

You are not making any sense.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Yes, proof would be required, but there is no proof. Therefore, there is only belief.

There is belief, yes, but what do we do about it? Just believing carries no moral value at all, if you help people because you think they are alien lizards or you help them because you don't know any better, the help is still there and your personal convictions are your own.

If we read the question of this thread (Do you care if others believe what you do?), by sticking to belief as a strict mental construct, then the question and this whole thread is pointless. Why? Because there is no way to know what others believe, it's hard to even explore what you believe yourself. This question has to be asked form a belief/action standpoint, otherwise or it isn't a question at all.

All this to say, that to me, it's never about just belief. Giving it that kind of power to just words/thoughts would be falling into the same error that spawned Bible literalism. Of course, I'm mostly talking about how it relates to the discussion we're currently having, internal struggles are powerful realities for those who suffer them.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
This is pushing. Notice how the writer has placed himself above the reader, and has passed a judgment that the reader has a “deceived soul” (whatever that is). Now the reader is left with no good choice, either reject the statement and be a “deceived soul” or except the writer’s judgment.

Bottom line is Satan is mentioned many times in the Bible as being very real and regardless of how much Shakyamunison wants to convince himself otherwise the Bible is the inspired Word of God. Doesn't matter if it was written by men because they were all inspired by God. God communicated with them in various ways (dreams, visions, talking, etc...)so yeah, the Bible is His Word. Jesus Himself even said Satan is real. I guess Shak thinks Jesus is a liar. LOL. I guess for anyone like the poor deceived Shak who doesn't even think Jesus is actually the Son of God it can be easy to dismiss anything Jesus said. For those of us who know for a fact that He is though, no amount of denial of his divinity by any non-believers is going to change our opinion no matter what they say. So please, by all means, go ahead and keep it up, Shak. Not gonna change any of our beliefs.

I guess, according to Shak, everyone who participated in the writing of the Bible are all liars with their statements of all the miracles Jesus performed and Mary was not actually a virgin. I guess the huge earthquake that rocked Jerusalem at the exact moment of Christ's death was just a coincidence too, right Shak? *rolls eyes* Riiiiiight... Also, lets just ignore the fact that Jesus' body was never found either after it "disappeared".

Why would Christ have gone thru the Hell that He did for a lie? Answer me that, Mr. know-it-all non-believer... Oh, that's righ.t Next you'll be denying that the crucifixion ever happened or that Jesus was a totally fictional character and never even existed. 🙄

Whatever. Think what you like but I'm done reading your trash.

Why would you post something like that? 😕

I know there is some tension and accusations of different kind of bias/hypocresy from previous discussions here, but this is still essentially a forum to debate with others, people who are expected to think different than you do. I don't see the propose of your previous post other than antagonizing Shaky in public. You know you can PM him for this kind of disagreement don't you?

problem when discussing with Shakyamunison, is that he's not really being a "son of Shakyamuni"... sorry, i really had to say this... he's trying to project the image that he's a Buddhist, but truth is, although he's really inclined to Buddhism, he's not really a Buddhist... Buddhism also has a set of doctrines and dogmas to be followed... Shakyamunison is more like a "free thinker"...

just an observation... in the forum, he often attacks Christianity, and all others believing in the Bible... no problem about that, 'coz i came here to defend Christianity according to the Bible... the problem is the way he presented himself... he said God, satan and other spirits do not exist... fine, but when you turn it around on Buddhism, what does he say?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No, I do not believe in evil spirits. 100% of all the evil in the world is created by humans. There is nothing for Satan or evil spirits to do. Humans don't need a mythological being to temp them. They do quit well on their own.

Originally posted by dyajeep
buddhists believe in devas and brahmas... what are those?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Mythology.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=14954998&highlight=userid%3A76304#post14954998

he even said that Buddhism also has myths in its doctrines... i don't think true Buddhists will tell you that kind of things... albeit, you can treat Shakyamunison as a free thinker, and not a Buddhist...

well, if i'm wrong, i apologize, but this is what i see...

"Don't rain on my spiritual parade, but shut the f*ck up while I rain on yours."

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
"Don't rain on my spiritual parade, but shut the f*ck up while I rain on yours."

never could have said it any better...

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Jesus is an overrated. mythical character ho likely never existed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtiMw0-akAM

Regards
DL

Originally posted by Star428
Bottom line is Satan is mentioned many times in the Bible as being very real and regardless of how much Shakyamunison wants to convince himself otherwise the Bible is the inspired Word of God.

Originally posted by Star428
Doesn't matter if it was written by men because they were all inspired by God.

Originally posted by Star428
God communicated with them in various ways (dreams, visions, talking, etc...)so yeah, the Bible is His Word.

Originally posted by Star428
Jesus Himself even said Satan is real.

Originally posted by Star428
I guess Shak thinks Jesus is a liar.

Originally posted by Star428
LOL. I guess for anyone like the poor deceived Shak who doesn't even think Jesus is actually the Son of God it can be easy to dismiss anything Jesus said.

Originally posted by Star428
For those of us who know for a fact that He is though, no amount of denial of his divinity by any non-believers is going to change our opinion no matter what they say.

Originally posted by Star428
So please, by all means, go ahead and keep it up, Shak. Not gonna change any of our beliefs.

Originally posted by Star428
I guess, according to Shak, everyone who participated in the writing of the Bible are all liars with their statements of all the miracles Jesus performed and Mary was not actually a virgin.

Originally posted by Star428
I guess the huge earthquake that rocked Jerusalem at the exact moment of Christ's death was just a coincidence too,

Originally posted by Star428
right Shak? *rolls eyes* Riiiiiight... Also, lets just ignore the fact that Jesus' body was never found either after it "disappeared".

Originally posted by Star428
Why would Christ have gone thru the Hell that He did for a lie?

Originally posted by Star428
Answer me that, Mr. know-it-all non-believer...

Originally posted by Star428
Oh, that's righ.t Next you'll be denying that the crucifixion ever happened or that Jesus was a totally fictional character and never even existed. 🙄

Originally posted by Star428
Whatever. Think what you like but I'm done reading your trash.

Originally posted by Greatest I am
Jesus is an overrated. mythical character ho likely never existed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtiMw0-akAM

Regards
DL

LOL!

I have been told indirectly that someone on this forum is ignorant about Buddhism and how mythology plays a part in the teaching. I have no hope for that person, and they will remain ignorant, but for anyone else who would like to know more how mythology works in Buddhism, here is an article to read.

Buddhists do not take mythology literally.

“Herein lies our problem. A parable, when taken literally, does not make sense to the modern mind. Therefore we must learn to differentiate the parables and myths from actuality. However, if we learn to go beyond or transcend the parables and myths, we will be able to understand the truth.”

http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/reincarnation.htm

Now I believe a little bit different then this person, because they are a different type of Buddhist from me. But you can see that even different schools within Buddhism have something in common; we are not literalists. We use our brain, and our knowledge to understand the writings of the past.

this is getting funny...

this person accuses me of insulting him when i say he is ignorant of the Bible and Christian doctrines... he even says i'm full of hate... one moment he's laughing his butt off, and then became insulted in another...

but this person now calls someone (most probably me) ignorant about Buddhism... how does that sound? spell hypocrisy, that is...

i'm actually doing this person a favor by saying he's not a real Buddhist but a free thinker, coz he's putting Buddhism in great disservice... he rejects the existence of "devas" and calls them a myth, but devas are clearly part of Buddhism whether he likes it or not...

Originally posted by Bentley
There is belief, yes, but what do we do about it? Just believing carries no moral value at all, if you help people because you think they are alien lizards or you help them because you don't know any better, the help is still there and your personal convictions are your own.

Originally posted by Bentley
If we read the question of this thread (Do you care if others believe what you do?), by sticking to belief as a strict mental construct, then the question and this whole thread is pointless. Why? Because there is no way to know what others believe, it's hard to even explore what you believe yourself. This question has to be asked form a belief/action standpoint, otherwise or it isn't a question at all.

Originally posted by Bentley
All this to say, that to me, it's never about just belief. Giving it that kind of power to just words/thoughts would be falling into the same error that spawned Bible literalism. Of course, I'm mostly talking about how it relates to the discussion we're currently having, internal struggles are powerful realities for those who suffer them.

Originally posted by dyajeep
but this person now calls someone (most probably me) ignorant about Buddhism... how does that sound? spell hypocrisy, that is...

I think it's spelled like this: S-h-a-k-y-a-m-u-n-i-s-o-n. There's probably a picture of him too in the dictionary next to the word "hypocrite".

Originally posted by Star428
I think it's spelled like this: S-h-a-k-y-a-m-u-n-i-s-o-n. There's probably a picture of him too in the dictionary next to the word "hypocrite".

Surprise! Surprise! I'm being called names by a Christian. Star428, I bet you would like to burn me at the stake. Like the Christian Church used to do back in the good old days of the inquisition.

Kill the non-believer. Kill the non-believer. Kill the non-believer. Kill the non-believer.

You are so filled with HATE, how can you even call yourself a Christian? Typical Christian!

Face it, you can't deal with what I have to say, so you resort to childish name calling.

I hope you get banned for it.

My religions philosophy is not to preach to others

Originally posted by Spawningpool
My religions philosophy is not to preach to others

What religion would that be?