ROTS Sidious vs. Maul, Dooku, Vader

Originally posted by Sinious

Maul is cool but he is the weakest of Sidious' apprentices.

Yeah I guess that is why Sidious called Maul as ''rival'' ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-7hBZNsPnyg#t=104

Maul already kicked Vader's ass in Resurrection, and he could beat Dooku as well. I can easily argue his TCW version was the strongest of his apprentices.

Vader never become a ''rival'' to Sidious, nor Dooku... None of them could challenge him in a battle, Maul did that. Nuff said.

Pretty sure the context of that is how Maul was able to gather large enough forces from the criminal underworld and Mandalore to pose a threat to Palpatine's rule. A rival doesn't get his butt-kicked like that.

Originally posted by The Merchant
Pretty sure the context of that is how Maul was able to gather large enough forces from the criminal underworld and Mandalore to pose a threat to Palpatine's rule. A rival doesn't get his butt-kicked like that.

Nope ;

“Master?” Maul asked. “You have become a rival,” Sidious declared.

(...)

Maul had grown more powerful since the last time he’d been in Sidious’s presence, before the Neimoidian invasion of Naboo had turned disastrous and Obi-Wan had bested him inside the Theed power core. His hermitage on Lotho Minor, his lessons on Unbara, his restoration by Mother Talzin, and his training of Savage had all strengthened him, made him a more worthy vessel for the dark side to fill with its power. But strong as he had become, Maul found himself in awe of Sidious.

---Shadow Conspiracy

''But strong as he had become, Maul found himself in awe of Sidious. ''

You people are forgetting that Maul was the second original Sith in the movies, Vader and Dooku were sith pretenders.

Pretty sure Filoni said that Maul isn't as strong as Dooku or Vader.

Tyranus and Vader were both inducted into the Banite line of Sith by the Emperor, they're every bit deserving of the legacy of being a Sith as Maul

Originally posted by The Merchant
Pretty sure Filoni said that Maul isn't as strong as Dooku or Vader.

Show me the source before claim. I think you are mistaken with Jeremy Barlow, yeah he said something like this, then he retcon it by saying ''Maul beats Dooku 7 of 10.''

Originally posted by carthage
Tyranus and Vader were both inducted into the Banite line of Sith by the Emperor, they're every bit deserving of the legacy of being a Sith as Maul

Because they've never trained as Sith, they never take the Sith training what Maul take. They were Jedi once, they feel the light, that is why they can't be the likes of Sidious, or Maul.

Not to mention Vader's betrayal to the Sith, Sidious's biggest mistake was keeping Vader at his side, look what happened, Jedi / Anakin won.

Originally posted by Marco1907

You people are forgetting that Maul was the second original Sith in the movies, Vader and Dooku were sith pretenders.

Originally posted by Arhael
Praise Maul's combat prowess all you like and I will back you up on it but this is ridiculous. Maul was trained as Assassin, while Plagueis was still alive. Maul got sliced in half around the same time Plagueis got choked. Maul was not considered a true apprentice. He was not introduced to proper Sith teachings, he couldn't even use lightning. He was to Sidious what Ventress was to Dooku. Warriors, assassins, executors but not true Sith.

That's bullshit of stupid EU writers. Lucas never said something like this. Read this thread ; (all of it)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=603986&pagenumber=1

And can someone tell me the source of this material ? I think intreprid knows it, but I am not sure.

Originally posted by Marco1907
Yeah I guess that is why Sidious called Maul as ''rival'' ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-7hBZNsPnyg#t=104

Maul already kicked Vader's ass in Resurrection, and he could beat Dooku as well. I can easily argue his TCW version was the strongest of his apprentices.

Vader never become a ''rival'' to Sidious, nor Dooku... None of them could challenge him in a battle, Maul did that. Nuff said.

He says he became a rival because Maul disrupted the RoT. He means Maul has ascended as another sith party who does not act under the dark lord's rule.

Dooku was the leader of the separatists and Skywalker was a far better candidate to replace Dooku in the future. So he had no reason to take Maul back.

"You are no longer my apprentice. You have been replaced."

Originally posted by Arhael
He was to Sidious what Ventress was to Dooku.

This isnt entirely the case. It is true that Maul was never properly introduced to sith teachings and he wasn't a full member of the Rule of Two but Sidious definitely considered him as his apprentice.

Just checked link. It does not contradict EU in the slightest bit.

''I was destined to become so much more...'' - Yes, he was. As Plagueis was no more, Maul would get a chance to receive proper Sith training but got sliced in half, unfortunately.

Originally posted by Sinious
This isnt entirely the case. It is true that Maul was never properly introduced to sith teachings and he wasn't a full member of the Rule of Two but Sidious definitely considered him as his apprentice.

@Sinious

You are graping at straws here...

''But strong as he had become, Maul found himself in awe of Sidious. ''

Originally posted by Sinious
and Skywalker was a far better candidate to replace Dooku in the future. So he had no reason to take Maul back.

True, he meant Skywalker by saying ''you are replaced'' because he already made the decision right after Naboo, but clearly he didn't want post-suit Vader either. He wanted Anakin's gigantic force potential, not crippled Vader.

Dooku was another great tool for Anakin's dark side seduction, (since Dooku cut Anakin's arm) that is why Dooku was necessary, not because he was better than Maul.

Originally posted by Marco1907
@Sinious

You are graping at straws here...

''But strong as he had become, Maul found himself in awe of Sidious. ''

Only cause he endangered Sidious' entire scheme as his organization was a third party. It's not like Sidious considered Maul's personal power as a lethal threat. Sidious could wipe the floor with Maul if he wanted to. Oh wait, he already did that. 😉

True, he meant Skywalker by saying ''you are replaced'' because he already made the decision right after Naboo, but clearly he didn't want post-suit Vader either. He wanted Anakin's gigantic force potential, not crippled Vader.

Just as he didnt want a crippled Maul with no legs.

Dooku was another great tool for Anakin's dark side seduction, (since Dooku cut Anakin's arm) that is why Dooku was necessary, not because he was better than Maul.

AOTC Dooku > TPM Maul though.

@sinious

Lowball Maul as you like. You know the truth, TCW Maul wipes the floor with old man Dooku and crippled Vader.

Just as he didnt want a crippled Maul with no legs.

Except that didn't decrease his speed / agility / mobility infact he become faster than TPM Maul, on the other hand Vader become slower than Anakin.

Anyways, Maul is a rival to Sidious now (by his word not mine) and Maul said nothing about returning to Sidious in SoD 03 when the time he captured Dooku (it appears he doesn't want to), he just want to kill him and take revenge. Apprenticeship to Sidious is a child play for him now, he has grown up.

Lmfao.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Lmfao.

Hard truths bro. Maul is a rival.

YouTube video

Originally posted by Marco1907
@sinious

Lowball Maul as you like. You know the truth, TCW Maul wipes the floor with old man Dooku and crippled Vader.

I'm not lowballing Maul. TPM Maul is one of my fave PT characters but that my boy is a concession.

Originally posted by Marco1907
Hard truths bro. Maul is a rival.

It's a hard truth that your mental capacity doesn't expand beyond maul's misplaced genitalia.