Darth Talon vs Kas'im

Started by carthage11 pages

Which is kind of what happened, the only reason Bane even lost that duel was because of Kas'im's utilization of Jar Kai. He probably could've beaten him by virtue of the nexus and his familiarity with all aspects of Kas'im's style. Not a notable victory but it would've looked better on paper than only beating featless trainees

Except Kas'im was the greatest warrior of the Sith to the point where people laughed at the suggestion of being on his level. And he obviously knew how to use his skills effectively, considering he mastered every inch of the forms and created sequences and moves for them, not to mention that fought with Bane over and over again so its not as if he doesn't know how to freaking fight. 🙄

Kas'im should beat Talon really based on his accolades. Never really considered Talon all that great, good but not amazing.

You think Kas'im was stronger than Kaan?

Hmmm, interesting. I think Kaan could beat Kas'im/

Originally posted by NewGuy01
You think Kas'im was stronger than Kaan?

Githany laughed in Kaan's face at the suggestion that anyone could beat Bane after he'd defeated Kas'im and the dude didn't object. I've no doubt Kaan could likely control him with his telepathy though.

And Githany wasn't even aware of Kas'im's full skill and ability when she said that. And she was practically orgasming at Kaan's power when she said that to his face.

Exactly. Kas'im was, quite clearly, under Kaan's mental influence. How exactly could he even fight him?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Except Kas'im was the greatest warrior of the Sith to the point where people laughed at the suggestion of being on his level. And he obviously knew how to use his skills effectively, considering he mastered every inch of the forms and created sequences and moves for them, not to mention that fought with Bane over and over again so its not as if he doesn't know how to freaking fight. 🙄

Except knowing how to fight doesn't make him better than Talon who has beaten individuals with their own showings 👆.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Exactly. Kas'im was, quite clearly, under Kaan's mental influence. How exactly could he even fight him?

I said Kas'im was the Sith's greatest warrior, which would still be true even if Kaan could control his mind. Mental influence ain't got nothing to do with it.

My friend yesterday competed at amateur kick boxing. Won first fight and lost second. Both his opponents had right foot forward, when orthodox posture is left foot forward. Seemingly small difference but it got him completely off guard as all his combos and defense were designed to counter orthodox fighters and he had no unorthodox sparring partners.

While it is very impressive for Bane to hold his own in that situation, it is equally unimpressive for Kasim to be unable to make a short work of a less skilled opponent even with unknown style advantage.

Originally posted by carthage
Except knowing how to fight doesn't make him better than Talon who has beaten individuals with their own showings 👆.

Knowing how to fight better than Talon does though. His mastery of all forms gives him a decisive advantage.

Originally posted by Arhael
My friend yesterday competed at amateur kick boxing. Won first fight and lost second. Both his opponents had right foot forward, when orthodox posture is left foot forward. Seemingly small difference but it got him completely off guard as all his combos and defense were designed to counter orthodox fighters and he had no unorthodox sparring partners.

While it is very impressive for Bane to hold his own in that situation, it is equally unimpressive for Kasim to be unable to make a short work of a less skilled opponent even with unknown style advantage.

👆

Originally posted by Arhael
My friend yesterday competed at amateur kick boxing. Won first fight and lost second. Both his opponents had right foot forward, when orthodox posture is left foot forward. Seemingly small difference but it got him completely off guard as all his combos and defense were designed to counter orthodox fighters and he had no unorthodox sparring partners.

While it is very impressive for Bane to hold his own in that situation, it is equally unimpressive for Kasim to be unable to make a short work of a less skilled opponent even with unknown style advantage.

Lightsaber fighting is a bit different from kickboxing when you factor in precognition and the power of the Force. Bane was more powerful than Kas'im and could still use the force to predict his attacks, so of course he wasn't completely demolished and was able to retreat.

I don't think you should real-life examples in general.

Yeah, but even before then there was no real clear advantage in the saber duel. Bane held his own due to familiarity with Kas'ims style, and Kas'im couldn't best him due to his own incompetence/Bane's knowledge of his form.

Originally posted by The Merchant
I don't think you should real-life examples in general.

👆 this, so much of this.

Originally posted by carthage
Yeah, but even before then there was no real clear advantage in the saber duel. Bane held his own due to familiarity with Kas'ims style, and Kas'im couldn't best him due to his own incompetence/Bane's knowledge of his form.

You keep bringing this up as if Kas'im wasn't the one who taught Bane everything he knew and also had familiarity with Bane's form. Bane's knowledge of Kas'im's style (not that he actually had a style so much as he had every style) was mentioned as the reason Kas'im couldn't turn the fight around against Bane's power advantage, not actually as an advantage of Bane's:

"The outcome was inevitable. Bane was simply too strong in the Force. Only some unexpected maneuver could save Kas'im, but they had fought too many times in the past for him to surprise Bane now. Over the course of his training Bane had seen every possible sequence, series, move, and trick with the double-bladed lightsaber, and he knew how to counter and nullify them all."

And since Bane was freaking winning I'm pretty sure the advantage was his. 😬

Cade Talon wins. Superior feats in nearly every category. Losing to a Bane that would have got killed by Skreev is not impressive.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Cade wins. Superior feats in nearly every category. Losing to a Bane that would have got killed by Skreev is not impressive.

This isn't Cade Vs Kas'im you moron. :facepalm: