Originally posted by ares834
Except it's not. You're claimed (or certainly were suggesting) that he was "mentally stupid" for spending so much time discussing a being that he thinks is fictional. But you do the same time every time you discuss Superman.
Negative ghost rider.
He believes in Satan but at the same time thinks God is not real.
Therefore if a God is not real, neither is Satan.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Don't rightly know. However, if deception is more easily accomplished by those with a mask of beauty, then it makes sense that Satan would adopt that form ...
at least, of course, if Satan's target was a man.Are we certain that Satan had actually [b]been
cast down by the time of the Garden of Eden temptation?In the story of Job, whose events we are meant to understand took place LONG after Adam and Eve lived and died, for instance, we read the following:
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them. 7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job%201&version=AKJV
MUCH later than this, though, we read the following:
17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. 18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. 19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. 20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2010&version=AKJV
Jesus in HIS day, long after Job, long after Adam and Eve, spoke of seeing Satan fall. I'm not sure good proof exists that Satan's fall occurred much earlier, and, from what I can gather, the language used in the Luke verse above parallels that used in relating PROPHETIC, i.e. FUTURE "sights". I haven't done enough Bible study to know for certain, however. The following might not be a bad place to start such an investigation:
There is never any certainty in myths but Satan being in the Garden is tradition.
Check the Vatican art and see her right there with Eve.
So the question remains. Was God stupid for putting Satan right there with Eve?
If that was not Satan then who made the serpent talk?
Regards
DL
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
If Jesus and God do not exist, why do you spend so much time talking about things that do not exist?Are you mentally stupid?
For the evils of religion to grow, read any scripture literally.
Any and all harmless beliefs are allowed by Gnostic Christians. We know that any myth can be internalized for good results and as esoteric ecumenists, we enjoy knowledge of all the myths that man has created about Gods.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02ciandvg&feature=BFa&list=PLCBF574D
When there is a victim is when that view changes. Then you see why Christianity annihilated Gnostic Christianity. We do not let the evils of forced literalism go unopposed. To a tyrant like Constantine, we were poison. One of his first commands to his new Church was to kill off the free thinkers and of course, his new tool, his Church, did as bid. It was quite a ride for free thought for the next 1,000 years.
How can a Gnostic Christian, --- and any other free thinking moral person, --- not judge other's morals when seeing someone hurt other because of the same Church's teachings today?
Can you ignore such things if you have decent morals? Impossible. Especially with Islam pulling the same murderous, freedom stifling ****.
We must discriminate and judge constantly. Every law is a compulsion on all of us to judge.
It is my view that all right wing literalists and fundamentals hurt all of us who are moral religionists, --- as well as those who do not believe. Literalists hurt their parent religions --- and everyone else, be he a believer or not. Literalists and the right wing of religions make us all into laughing stocks. Their God of talking animals, genocidal floods and retribution has got to go. So must beliefs in fantasy, miracles and magic. These are all evil.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2zhlDbMfDg
They also do much harm to their own fellow adherents.
African witches and Jesus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlRG9gXriVI
Jesus Camp 1of 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LACyLTsH4ac
Death to Gays.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyuKLyGUHNE
For evil to grow my friend, all good people need do is nothing. Fight literalism when you can. It is your duty to our fellow man.
Regards
DL
Originally posted by ares834
Isn't this entire forum pretty much dedicated to discussing hypothetical battles between fictional characters....
Yes. I am here to discuss a mythical God.
I have to put up with idol worshipers who just prefer to abuse and run from defending their A hole God's morals.
Regards
DL
Re: Billion + believe in Satan. Should all schools be mandated to teach Creationism?
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Education is the only tool that we have to drag ourselves and our children out of ignorance and superstition
Theres also that other thing called choice, consciousness and all but i suppose that's a myth because we are simply nothing more than a product of our education, right? 😉
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
And so it is that along with star, sun, and moon symbols, Satan or Lucifer is represented by lightning or representations of lightning. You can verify this for yourself quite easily. Just type in "Satan" and "Lightning" as a search in Google images. Instantly you will find yourself confronted with images from both popular culture, especially the music industry, and images from officially devil-associated places like the Church of Satan. You'll even find the Nazi "SS" symbol. It is a ... "meme" for lack of a better word, that nearly always represents him.This particular clip, taken from the movie Kill Zone aka Sha Lo Pang is haunting. Play it on a computer with good streaming capability and listen carefully to the music. Echoes the kind of New Age music I hear by composers associated with the Middle Americas.
This haunts because one premise I've become widely familiar with is that Satan masquerades as the god or even Pantheon of gods of numerous cultures.
One reason I kept on mentioning the names of Lucifer was that the name APOLLO is actually given in the Bible for him (Apollyon). In other words, Satan was the Greek god Apollo. Arguably, he is/was also the god "Ba'al".
Beings or gods associated with plague, and bloodletting, and human sacrifice.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Shaky's comment about religious "tolerance" brings this home. God in the Old Testament IS intolerant of other religions. It gets overlooked, however, in this politically correct age, that some religions we SHOULD be intolerant of.
For some religions are absolutely anti-life and murderous, and from all accounts many of the gods and followers of these supposed gods were murderous as well.Echoed in this clip here. For that music in the Middle Americas style brings to mind the sun-worshipping cultures of the Maya, Incans, and Aztecs.
Especially the Aztecs. In my next post, perhaps, I'll give a link to what even Wikipedia has to say about their culture, the number of people sacrificed in the name of appeasing their god, thousands upon thousands "sacrificed" in a way remarkably reminiscent of what we see here.
The title of the song ... is "Store of the [b]SUN
".Be warned. This IS violent ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZs48lJXhxM&lc=xQ2TAR639Cm9tjCzPPvU5PUDlrBv-HH94IT4JHkQ6y0 [/B]
Followed up a bit more here:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=589178&pagenumber=9
Re: Re: Billion + believe in Satan. Should all schools be mandated to teach Creationism?
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
Theres also that other thing called choice, consciousness and all but i suppose that's a myth because we are simply nothing more than a product of our education, right? 😉
Well, it's harder to make smart choices when you've been brainwashed from childhood having not been giving all the information. Creationism is brainwashing. That's the problem.
I was raised a Fundamentalist Creationist and it took me 18-20 years to finally completely shed the nonsense of religiosity.
And that's only because I'm relatively well-educated. I went to college and actually have an interest in such things. The vast numbers of people who aren't so fortunate and inclined to look into things keep spreading ignorance. So yeah, public education should not include creationism.
Re: Re: Re: Billion + believe in Satan. Should all schools be mandated to teach Creationism?
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Well, it's harder to make smart choices when you've been brainwashed from childhood having not been giving all the information. Creationism is brainwashing. That's the problem.I was raised a Fundamentalist Creationist and it took me 18-20 years to finally completely shed the nonsense of religiosity.
And that's only because I'm relatively well-educated. I went to college and actually have an interest in such things. The vast numbers of people who aren't so fortunate and inclined to look into things keep spreading ignorance. So yeah, public education should not include creationism.
I might be out of line, apologies if I am, but, you made the following public in this forum last month:
Several questions come to me given what you wrote there and what you wrote above. In no particular order:
Given the implied inherent closeness of your relationship with that believer, how do you know you're actually deciding on the basis of rationality as opposed to emotional responses and emotional reasoning? There is a LOT of reason in human terms to act on feelings of anger, and loss, and sadness, and betrayal and reject even the notion of a good God contained in that revelation.
Re: Re: Re: Billion + believe in Satan. Should all schools be mandated to teach Creationism?
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Well, it's harder to make smart choices when you've been brainwashed from childhood having not been giving all the information. Creationism is brainwashing. That's the problem.I was raised a Fundamentalist Creationist and it took me 18-20 years to finally completely shed the nonsense of religiosity.
And that's only because I'm relatively well-educated. I went to college and actually have an interest in such things. The vast numbers of people who aren't so fortunate and inclined to look into things keep spreading ignorance. So yeah, public education should not include creationism.
I've skipped to subsequent posts to ask my other questions. The previous one was an elephant in the room and I felt compelled to ask it, but it has potential enough that I wanted to make it easy to separate from or even erase if it still feels too close, too soon, or too inappropriate.
