Billion + believe in Satan. Should all schools be mandated to teach Creationism?

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I might be out of line, apologies if I am, but, you made the following public in this forum last month:

Several questions come to me given what you wrote there and what you wrote above. In no particular order:

Given the implied inherent closeness of your relationship with that believer, how do you know you're actually deciding on the basis of rationality as opposed to emotional responses and emotional reasoning? There is a LOT of reason in human terms to act on feelings of anger, and loss, and sadness, and betrayal and reject even the notion of a good God contained in that revelation.

That's a fair observation and question...

I made up my mind on Christianity and religiosity long before my brother killed himself. It was a long, drawn-out downward spiral that eventually ended with his death. But ultimately it was my own intellectual pursuits and personal internal feelings that won out against dogma and religious bullshit. Having my brother as a blatant example of the corrosiveness of dogmatic religion just made the decision more obvious.

I'm gonna say traditional creationism shouldn't be thought, though some arguments for intelligent design and teleological argumentation could be brought up as theories, though not enforced as fact.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Well, it's harder to make smart choices when you've been brainwashed from childhood having not been giving all the information ...

I'm relatively well-educated. I went to college and actually have an interest in such things. The vast numbers of people who aren't so fortunate and inclined to look into things keep spreading ignorance ...

What would your response be to secular people like Noam Chomsky, who contend that the U.S. Educational system itself is designed to impose ignorance and actually DIScourage true and independent thought?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JVqMAlgAnlo

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I'm gonna say traditional creationism shouldn't be thought, though some arguments for intelligent design and teleological argumentation could be brought up as theories, though not enforced as fact.

For what ultimate purpose though when the courts have already found lies in the theories you would have taught to children?

Would you also show the lies that the religious used to try to get their theory accepted?

And why creationism in particular? Why not the creation myths of all the various religions?

I mean, if we are to teach one set of lies, why not all the sets of lies?

Regards
DL

Originally posted by Greatest I am
For what ultimate purpose though when the courts have already found lies in the theories you would have taught to children?

Would you also show the lies that the religious used to try to get their theory accepted?

And why creationism in particular? Why not the creation myths of all the various religions?

I mean, if we are to teach one set of lies, why not all the sets of lies?

Regards
DL

Why teach kids fantasy? Creationism has no place in the classroom. At least not in a science class.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
As far as I can tell there's no provable falsehood in intelligent design theory or teleological argumentation.

Yes, it does. It promotes unsupported claims. Claims that are irrational when observing the evidence. So yeah, that's basically a "provable falsehood."

Originally posted by Surtur
Why teach kids fantasy? Creationism has no place in the classroom. At least not in a science class.

Indeed. It's fantasy and doesn't belong in the science classroom.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Indeed. It's fantasy and doesn't belong in the science classroom.

Yes and this is why I dislike Creationism. You can look at people who say there is a God and okay I can't prove that he doesn't exist even if I do not believe. But the stuff the Creationists believe is false lol. We know the Earth is much older than a few thousand years, even in America we have found stuff apparently over 10,000 years old. Other countries have found stuff way way older. The dinosaur thing is also a big no.

To me they are like flat earthers.

Pure insanity:

https://creationmuseum.org/dinosaurs-dragons/

Dragons now too? Lol. Damn, cuz I wish dragons were actually a thing. Were dragons in the bible though?

There's something about a Leviathan in the Bible, but I don't think it's technically a dragon. To my knowledge there are no dragons mentioned in the Bible. And I think Creationists like the pretend that the Leviathan is a reference to dinosaurs, but it seems pretty flimsy. I think it's more of a mythical sea monster.

I was read a lot of bible passages in school and in religion class and they never read the interesting ones.

Remember, there is a part where some kids talk shit to a prophet and in return he summons some bears to maul them to death.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Yes, it does. It promotes unsupported claims. Claims that are irrational when observing the evidence. So yeah, that's basically a "provable falsehood."

This isn't something that contradicts any available evidence in the same sense that flat earthers, creationists who believe in a literal interpretation of genesis, or creationists who believe the world is only 6000 years old do.

I'm simply saying I don't have a problem with this concept being discussed in a scientific classroom as an unproven but plausible theory. I don't really have enough investment to give a shit if this isn't discussed, but I'm saying I don't see the issue in this being brought up as a theory in the same way I would creationist theory that is blatantly contradicted by evidence.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I'm talking about the idea that ordered scientific law itself is the product of design being taught as a theory, because there are scientists who recognize this possibility, such as Neil Degrasse Tyson and Elon Musk who think that there's a reasonable chance that our universe is a designed simulation.

I'll admit that stuff is fun speculation, but it doesn't mean it should be curriculum in science class. Neil Degrasse Tyson also said, "The theory of evolution, like the theory of gravity, is a scientific fact." I don't think he would say the same thing about the universe being a designed [computer] simulation.

Originally posted by Surtur
I was read a lot of bible passages in school and in religion class and they never read the interesting ones.

Remember, there is a part where some kids talk shit to a prophet and in return he summons some bears to maul them to death.

Yeah, there's some good shit in there! 😂

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
I'll admit that stuff is fun speculation, but it doesn't mean it should be curriculum in science class. Neil Degrasse Tyson also said, "The theory of evolution, like the theory of gravity, is a scientific fact." I don't think he would say the same thing about the universe being a designed [computer] simulation.

I could legit get on board with a God that will allow you to summon bears to smite down your enemies.

I want muh bears.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I mean, all I'm saying is if a scientific class were to briefly discuss such a thing as a theory, and not a fact, I wouldn't see any reason to take issue with that discussion.

So why is it that important for a science classroom? lol

Kids get fantasy from books, TV, and movies.

Originally posted by Surtur
I could legit get on board with a God that will allow you to summon bears to smite down your enemies.

I want muh bears.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Well, it's harder to make smart choices when you've been brainwashed from childhood having not been giving all the information ...

I'm relatively well-educated. I went to college and actually have an interest in such things. The vast numbers of people who aren't so fortunate and inclined to look into things keep spreading ignorance.

What would your response be to secular people like Noam Chomsky, who contend that the U.S. Educational system itself is designed to impose ignorance and actually DIScourage true and independent thought?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JVqMAlgAnlo

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
So why is it that important for a science classroom? lol

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Kids get fantasy from books, TV, and movies.

I just really want a pet bear that won't eat me.