Exar Kun vs. Revan

Originally posted by AncientPower
I'll take this as a concession on your part.

You should compare Exar Kun and Revan in matters where they can be compared and a logical inference can be drawn from such a comparison for meaningful contribution in this debate.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Emperor Vitiate has one shotted Revan twice, using him is a terrible example on your part.

This is why I cited the example of Emperor Vitiate to refute your claim.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Revan has not shown any major sorcery knowledge beyond the Thought Bomb and an unknown list of other techniques in his holocron.

To Bane it seemed the teachings contained within the single Holocron surpassed those of the Academy's entire archives. Revan had discovered many of the rituals of the ancient Sith, and as the Holocron's avatar explained their nature and purpose, Bane could barely wrap his mind around their awesome potential. Some of the rituals were so terrible-so dangerous to attempt, even for a true Sith Master-that he doubted he would ever dare to use them. Yet he dutifully copied them down on sheaves of flimsi, preserving them so he could study them in greater depth later.

And there was far more than just the ancient practices of dark side sorcerers stored inside the Holocron. In only a few short weeks he'd learned more about the true nature of the dark side than he had in all his time on Korriban. Revan had been a true Sith Lord, unlike the simpering Masters who bowed to Kaan and his Brotherhood. (Taken from Darth Bane: Path of Destruction)

This was Revan before his prime, his knowledge and understanding of the Force grew further afterwards.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Exar Kun has the full knowledge of Naga Sadow and Freedon Nadd and has been listed as one of the greatest sorcerers of all time, compared even to Reborn Palpatine. Infact it is stated that it is highly unlikely that the full knowledge of sorcery survived Kun's death.

Wars are responsible for elimination of records and knowledge of dark arts that could be useful for consultations in the future, this have happened several times. However, efforts have been made for recovery of such knowledge with great deal of success on some occasions throughout galactic history, and sometimes ancient Dark Lords would make a comeback to impart their knowledge into those whom they could seduce to restart Sith agenda, and these developments would also facilitate in recovery of lost knowledge.

Emperor Vitiate managed to acquire full extent of knowledge of ancient dark arts from his efforts and even more:

In his relentless pursuit of immortality, the Emperor explored the most sinister, uncharted depths of the dark side. (Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)

However, it is most unfortunate that he wasn't planning to have a successor and did not spread his knowledge to full extent among his followers. Nonetheless, historians of his Empire managed to obtain impressive knowledge on their own. For example: Darth Thanaton managed to obtain knowledge of Ajunta Pall, Tulak Hord, Naga Sadow and Marka Ragnos, from his efforts while spearheading the position of Ancient Knowledge in the Dark Council. And I am not even touching the part of Dread Masters who have shown such command of Sith sorcery that they have duplicated impressive talents of The Ones.

The statement that full knowledge of sorcery perished with Kun is premature to cling-to but I would interpret it in the way that no one was able to re-acquire knowledge of his level after his final demise in NJO era. However, Darth Krayt did manage to acquire decent knowledge from ancient instructors themselves, if not on par.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Said quote ignores the statement that Kyp's powers were feeble in comparison to Kun's and Kun was draining on the emotions/reserves of others such as when he drained Gantoris.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Also the only powers Kyp used were through Kun himself which were a crystal corruption technique and a black variant of Force Lightning that Kyp never displayed any other time.

Originally posted by AncientPower
It proves Kun's prowess as a sorcerer and reinforces his position as one of the greatest sorcerers that ever lived.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Padawans? Please do further research they were Force prodigies in ages of 20 and over with much experience, Luke Skywalker states they were Jedi Knights not even a month after the Kun events.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Just because he has the knowledge doesn't mean he will perform to the same degree. He can teleport whilst amped and on a platform with which evidently everyone was able to teleport(the operation variant that is).

Originally posted by AncientPower
Exar Kun is able to effortlessly absorb and/or shrug off high techniques of the magnitude of Sever Force and Force Blast from such powerful Jedi as Odan Urr.

Now, Revan had surpassed every Jedi in power during the era of Mandalorian Wars. He exponentially grew in power afterwards and reached a point that he could one-shot one of the most powerful Sith in the galaxy. Do the math.

Originally posted by AncientPower
The amulet is only ever stated to allow him to channel his rage and only then via Force Blast. You are ignoring the magnitude of the ability which is in actual fact the largest use of Force Stun on record, 10,000.

You also fail to take into account that he utterly destroyed Vodo Siosk Baas whilst doing so.

As for Vodo Siosk Baas, not a single Jedi of Exar Kun's era holds a candle to power of Revan.

He did a spell to enchant the audience in the Senate, not saying it's not impressive but yeah. Also I don't think the statement from Factfile should be used where it says he's called the Strongest Sith Lord ever. Hord and the Dark Jedi Exiles are probably stronger than him, and neither the Vitiate since if I'm not mistaken he already did his ritual that gave him immortality and has his own quotes where he's the strongest Dark-side master during that time.

The dread masters aren't on the level of the Ones....

Originally posted by The Merchant
The dread masters aren't on the level of the Ones....

- Shape-shifting
- Reviving the dead
- Teleportation
- Bending time and space to shift between realms and even shift targets in the same manner
- Telepathic powers
- Immortality

And more crazy stuff...

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
It isn't. You are comparing apples and oranges.

You should compare Exar Kun and Revan in matters where they can be compared a logical inference can be drawn from such a comparison for meaningful contribution in this debate.

That is a cop out, a huge blatant cop out, I guess we can't site Force Storm in a Sidious vs ___ debate because his opponent isn't knowledgeable.

Force Drain is a highly advanced technique and Kun could absorb thousands upon thousands of beings at will without the aid of a ritual or Force Wound.

You claimed earlier that Exar Kun is the most powerful master of dark arts with unparalleled command of sorcery: "Sorcery knowledge and powers greater than almost anyone in galactic history." (Memory problems?)

This is why I cited the example of Emperor Vitiate to refute your claim.

"Almost anyone" as in not everyone.

Revan haven't been directly hyped as a Sith Sorcerer but his knowledge of the dark arts is immense nonetheless:

To Bane it seemed the teachings contained within the single Holocron surpassed those of the Academy's entire archives. Revan had discovered many of the rituals of the ancient Sith, and as the Holocron's avatar explained their nature and purpose, Bane could barely wrap his mind around their awesome potential. Some of the rituals were so terrible-so dangerous to attempt, even for a true Sith Master-that he doubted he would ever dare to use them. Yet he dutifully copied them down on sheaves of flimsi, preserving them so he could study them in greater depth later.

And there was far more than just the ancient practices of dark side sorcerers stored inside the Holocron. In only a few short weeks he'd learned more about the true nature of the dark side than he had in all his time on Korriban. Revan had been a true Sith Lord, unlike the simpering Masters who bowed to Kaan and his Brotherhood. (Taken from [B]Darth Bane: Path of Destruction)

This was Revan before his prime, his knowledge and understanding of the Force grew further afterwards.

Yet Exar Kun has the full knowledge of Freedon Nadd and Naga Sadow, Freedon Nadd is stated to have knowledge of every technique in the Tales of the Jedi sourcebook.

Exar Kun has also been stated to have full knowledge of the Sith arts that died with him. Not even Vader knew what Kun did and he had access to largest gathering of Sith lore ever.

Whats more is that Exar Kun isn't just given hype about this he has shown immense feats with the Dark Side only a handful of Sith can compare to.

Creating dozens and dozens of the most powerful Sith warbeasts and better yet the superweapon Dark Reaper.

It wouldn't surprise me if it is established that Revan have full knowledge of those Dark Lords and many more, Revan explored entire worlds for knowledge of dark arts to improve his understanding of the ways of the Force and Malachor V had been a treasure-trove that few had the opportunity to plunder and explore for knowledge of dark arts in galactic history.

Yes and Exar Kun plundered several worlds finding and stealing numerous tomes, scrolls and multiple Sith Holocron. Naga Sadow's personal storage of knowledge was stated to contain nearly the entire lore of the Sith Empire.

Wars are responsible for elimination of records and knowledge of dark arts that could be useful for consultations in the future, this have happened several times. However, efforts have been made for recovery of such knowledge with great deal of success on some occasions throughout galactic history, and sometimes ancient Dark Lords would make a comeback to impart their knowledge into those whom they could seduce to restart Sith agenda, and these developments would also facilitate in recovery of lost knowledge.

Indeed something both Bane and Plagueis lamented, however Plagueis also wondered whether or not Sith like Sadow and Kun were truly more powerful and knowledgeable than modern day Sith or the Dark Side had simply been more potent.

This is further reinforced by Kun appearing alongside Sidious as two of the greatest focal points of the Dark Side.

Emperor Vitiate managed to acquire full extent of knowledge of ancient dark arts from his efforts and even more:

In his relentless pursuit of immortality, the Emperor explored the most sinister, uncharted depths of the dark side. (Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)

However, it is most unfortunate that he wasn't planning to have a successor and did not spread his knowledge to full extent among his followers. Nonetheless, historians of his Empire managed to obtain impressive knowledge on their own. For example: Darth Thanaton managed to obtain knowledge of Ajunta Pall, Tulak Hord, Naga Sadow and Marka Ragnos, from his efforts while spearheading the position of Ancient Knowledge in the Dark Council. And I am not even touching the part of Dread Masters who have shown such command of Sith sorcery that they have duplicated impressive talents of The Ones.

The statement that full knowledge of sorcery perished with Kun is premature to cling-to but I would interpret it in the way that no one was able to re-acquire knowledge of his level after his final demise in NJO era. However, Darth Krayt did manage to acquire decent knowledge from ancient instructors themselves, if not on par.

Yes the Sith Emperor achieved more power than Kun did, he also seems to have immense knowledge equating to or surpassing Kun's own, however I would ask you to see the quote this way:

The Sith Emperor already held such knowledge before Exar Kun so the full knowledge of the Sith arts did die with Kun in that the only person that compared, never would have shared such information with his subjects.

I don't believe the Dread Masters nor Thanaton had the level of knowledge that Kun held, the Dread Masters are likely very close but they seem more obsessed with illusion and alchemical creations than much more, though I'm not inferring those spheres of Sorcery were their only experience.

Maybe you should offer proof to verify your statement.

My Exar Kun Ultimate Respect Thread contains said statements.

I am not getting in the details, I am simply pointing out that Kyp Durron, while being augmented by full power of Exar Kun, overwhelmed Luke Skywalker.

Indeed however such aid was at best marginal

And since when was this in doubt?

This is foolish hype and nonsense. They had good potential and were talented in the ways of the Force but they didn't had the training and experience of Jedi Masters at that time and could be easily manipulated or seduced by a powerful Dark Lord for his whims. In short, they were padawans and were vulnerable.

Have you seen Revan's fight against the Imperial Strike Team on the Foundry? Revan conjured up a Protection Bubble to protect himself from further harm during combat before he teleported from that location to safety. Therefore, Revan have proven his proficiency in this talent with this feat.

Indeed but this fails to compare to tanking bombing runs meant to level the city without any sign of effort or concentration.

Also you were inferring that this would be a winning combat technique, in reality this would merely delay the inevitable. Not to diminish the feat, Fold Space is indeed impressive.

Now, Revan had surpassed every Jedi in power during the era of Mandalorian Wars. He exponentially grew in power afterwards and reached a point that he could one-shot one of the most powerful Sith in the galaxy. Do the math.

The Order wasn't exactly brimming with power at that point, the Great Sith War had caused serious and immense damage to the Order. Not to say there aren't powerful individuals in the Order during this time but not nearly as many as in Kun's.

Amulets amplify his rage and emotions and make it possible for him to unleash more powerful attacks then he would in norm.

As for Vodo Siosk Baas, not a single Jedi of Exar Kun's era holds a candle to power of Revan. [/B]

Yet he wasn't displaying any kind of rage until he demolished Baas, your belief that the amulet allowed for this feat is incorrect.

Also you should do some serious research as Thon, Jeth, Urr and Baas have been given excessive accolades, not Revan level but it would be imbecilic to underestimate them.

Regardless you missed the point that he did these things simultaneously.

Originally posted by The Merchant
He did a spell to enchant the audience in the Senate, not saying it's not impressive but yeah. Also I don't think the statement from Factfile should be used where it says he's called the Strongest Sith Lord ever. Hord and the Dark Jedi Exiles are probably stronger than him, and neither the Vitiate since if I'm not mistaken he already did his ritual that gave him immortality and has his own quotes where he's the strongest Dark-side master during that time.

Kun, Exar Once the most powerful and dangerous of the Dark Lords of the Sith, he was responsible for the deaths of millions four millennia before the rise of the Empire. Killed by an overwhelming force of Jedi, the spirit of Exar Kun survived across the vastness of time to challenge Luke Skywalker and a new group of Jedi trainees.
- The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

He was once the most powerful Sith Lord in the galaxy and superior to all before him, Kevin J. Anderson has stated Kun is the most powerful of his characters and he did TotJ.

Also I would point out that both the SWTOR novellas and the Encyclopedia are set well after Kun's death.

Vitiate simply eclipsed Kun over time.

I'm leaning towards Kun winning this.

Originally posted by Stigma
I'm leaning towards Kun winning this.

"The problem iz that Revan iz not enzlave by th perfection of hiz light zaber ztyle...

I don't know if he learn makazhi, but he iz precize fatz, and avoid enzlavement to the form..... And thiz particularity ezizt in all hiz light zaber form, he iz like Kao Cen Darach but in more effective !!!!

He can eazly zuprize mazter of one form, becauze he know how to randomize and improvize..

Luke Reztrain hiz force abilitiez... Where Revan fully uze them....

And the place iz not an handicape for him : http://jeff-destroy.deviantart.com/...-Revan-91666618
He juzt avoid uzelezz acrobatic wich are a wazte of energy if you cannot ztrike your opponent or down him quicly... and make him vulnerable to the force attack becauze force jump drain the power of the force zhield too....

Zpecialization>verztaile..... MOZT OF THE TIME !!!
Her Revan get the edge in light zaber combat (Zuch an ironie becauze he iz more blanced where luke focuz on light zaber....)
Becauze here The zpecialization of luke iz not really a thread for himRevan iz at between 60% and 90% of maztering each technique... 75% mozt of the time...

The greatezt thread when you ztuddy Revan fighting ztyle iz that, you zee but the wordz are juzt mizzing and when the word are mizzing you are mizzing an azpect...
Remember Revan light zaber = A battle mazter level in zomthing zuperior !!!"

Kun have really zomething agrezziv and unorthodox to offer at Revan... But the mozt of Revan learning iz zomething than he learn by himzelf.... Force knowledge.

It won't zuprize hil az it zurpriz vodo....
But thiz dirty dirty bitcy ztyle of Kun.... Eeeeerrr..

Kun iz not az powerfull az Vitiate iz... Iz force zhield really amazing have hiz limitz
he had been it by Great Jedi mazter.... The dammage ztill minimalz...

ANd he have zome probel to control the dark energy, he cannot uze it at maximal power like Naga Zadow did.....

If Reincarn himzelf on hiz own body at Vitiate era Vitiate will pie on hiz pant (or robe) but I doubt than Kun will have the capacity to kill him....

Revan haz conderfull capacity but he ztill a leader he don't really uze them becauz he don't often need them...

Revan force drain iz effectiv at a ztar zyztem diztance.... Humhum...
He have alzo Dark healing like Exar Kun... And many zimilar ability not really well knowed... It iz quazi a zatelemate bewteen them becauze Kun cannot utilize hiz full power (where Vitiate CAN XD)

He zurpazz Naga Zadow and Marka Ragnozz..... But Barely... And it waz thank to hiz death... (Remember Ragnoz : You bring the zith lordz to the immortality..) Ztill he iz deadly !!!

Kun iz more zith magic but have good force power. Revan iz more force power but have good magic too....

Thiz iz the problem.....

Originally posted by AncientPower That is a cop out, a huge blatant cop out, I guess we can't site Force Storm in a Sidious vs ___ debate because his opponent isn't knowledgeable.

Revan instinctively used Force Drain on Malachor V to sustain himself in its environment by feeding on the dark side energy existing on this world during the Mandalorian Wars. Much later, Revan used this talent to feed on the energy of the Force Ghost of Meetra Surik to sustain himself during his torturous imprisonment in a Maelstrom facility to prevent his demise. Apart from these two occurrences, I don't recall other instances in which Revan have used this talent.

KoTOR-CG offers a hint in the form of stats about potential of Revan to project his power in devastating manner on a mass scale. Revan is stated to have Devastating Power, Distant Power, Multitarget Power and Quicken Power talents. Exar Kun also have these talents. So once again, I refer to my point in my top paragraph.

Force Storm application can also be learned and Darth Sidious isn't exclusive in understanding it. The Jedi Order banned practice of this talent due to its violent nature and regarded it as a dark side power, hinted in The Jedi Academy Training Manual. Therefore, Darth Sidious isn't the only individual with sufficient power and potential to utilize this application, it is just that he have utilized this power frequently after his revival. However, this application had been developed much earlier in history by someone. Emperor Vitiate may also have knowledge of this application since he is officially hinted to have explored most sinister and uncharted depths of the dark side to hone his talents.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Force Drain is a highly advanced technique and Kun could absorb thousands upon thousands of beings at will without the aid of a ritual or Force Wound.

By the way, performing a ritual is not an sign of weakness, rituals are often performed to project power on a much greater scale with full concentration which may not be possible otherwise.

Originally posted by AncientPower
"Almost anyone" as in not everyone.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Yet Exar Kun has the full knowledge of Freedon Nadd and Naga Sadow, Freedon Nadd is stated to have knowledge of every technique in the Tales of the Jedi sourcebook.

On a serious note, Freedon Nadd may have knowledge of every application up to his time, but this doesn't implies that he is all-knowing. Sith continued to make further progress in their understanding of the dark arts afterwards, this is pointed out in Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Exar Kun has also been stated to have full knowledge of the Sith arts that died with him. Not even Vader knew what Kun did and he had access to largest gathering of Sith lore ever.

Darth Vader had largest collection of lore at his disposal, really? Lets reduce this to one of the largest for a more realistic assessment. Also, even if Vader had access to such information, his cybernetics imposed restrictions upon him in the use of such knowledge. Also, Darth Vader is irrelevant for this discussion.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Whats more is that Exar Kun isn't just given hype about this he has shown immense feats with the Dark Side only a handful of Sith can compare to.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Creating dozens and dozens of the most powerful Sith warbeasts and better yet the superweapon Dark Reaper.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Yes and Exar Kun plundered several worlds finding and stealing numerous tomes, scrolls and multiple Sith Holocron. Naga Sadow's personal storage of knowledge was stated to contain nearly the entire lore of the Sith Empire.

Originally posted by AncientPower
This is further reinforced by Kun appearing alongside Sidious as two of the greatest focal points of the Dark Side.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Yes the Sith Emperor achieved more power than Kun did, he also seems to have immense knowledge equating to or surpassing Kun's own, however I would ask you to see the quote this way:

The Sith Emperor already held such knowledge before Exar Kun so the full knowledge of the Sith arts did die with Kun in that the only person that compared, never would have shared such information with his subjects.

Though Emperor is likely to have greater knowledge of the dark arts then any dark side master.

Originally posted by AncientPower
I don't believe the Dread Masters nor Thanaton had the level of knowledge that Kun held, the Dread Masters are likely very close but they seem more obsessed with illusion and alchemical creations than much more, though I'm not inferring those spheres of Sorcery were their only experience.

Originally posted by AncientPower
My Exar Kun Ultimate Respect Thread contains said statements.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Indeed however such aid was at best marginal

Originally posted by AncientPower
Not at all, however the post you original attempted to set straight was inferring Kun's accolades aren't matched by his feats.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Except they had faced ISB interrogation and torture beforehand and had previous training from Luke in mental aspects. Regardless it dodges the point I was making in the first place, He used them utterly to fill in for his own lack of Force reserves.

For comparison, check Emperor Vitiate's performance in these matters, he have possessed and/or controlled some of the most powerful Jedi Masters in galactic history. Now this is something to boast about, an incredible display of power. Possessing padawans would be child's-play for him.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Indeed but this fails to compare to tanking bombing runs meant to level the city without any sign of effort or concentration.

Also you were inferring that this would be a winning combat technique, in reality this would merely delay the inevitable. Not to diminish the feat, Fold Space is indeed impressive.

I am not sure if this application can facilitate victory but it can certainly prevent death in most situations, when coupled with teleportation talent. And Revan is proficient in the use of both of these talents.

Originally posted by AncientPower
The Order wasn't exactly brimming with power at that point, the Great Sith War had caused serious and immense damage to the Order. Not to say there aren't powerful individuals in the Order during this time but not nearly as many as in Kun's.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Yet he wasn't displaying any kind of rage until he demolished Baas, your belief that the amulet allowed for this feat is incorrect.

Exar Kun did defeat some decent Jedi of his era but this doesn't helps him in a comparison with Revan since the latter have astonishingly impressive combat record.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Also you should do some serious research as Thon, Jeth, Urr and Baas have been given excessive accolades, not Revan level but it would be imbecilic to underestimate them.

Regardless you missed the point that he did these things simultaneously.

The Jedi Path, which was written in universe a thousand years before Sidious, also has a description of Force Storm. So the ability certainly isn't exclusive to Sidious.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Kun, Exar Once the most powerful and dangerous of the Dark Lords of the Sith, he was responsible for the deaths of millions four millennia before the rise of the Empire. Killed by an overwhelming force of Jedi, the spirit of Exar Kun survived across the vastness of time to challenge Luke Skywalker and a new group of Jedi trainees.
- The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

He was once the most powerful Sith Lord in the galaxy and superior to all before him, Kevin J. Anderson has stated Kun is the most powerful of his characters and he did TotJ.

Also I would point out that both the SWTOR novellas and the Encyclopedia are set well after Kun's death.

Vitiate simply eclipsed Kun over time.

Check following statements:-

1.

The child who will come to be known as the Sith Emperor is born. Black-eyed, heartless, and supremely strong in the dark side of the Force, the boy seizes control of his homeworld by the age of 13 and earns the title Lord Vitiate. He amasses an army of Sith followers and turns his back on Imperial politics to hone his skills in the dark side.

2.

The Sith Emperor has mastered the dark side's power to become the most dominating Force-user the galaxy has ever seen.*

3.

The Sith Emperor is the most powerful Force-user who has ever existed. Unless this implacable enemy can be defeated, the Jedi Order is doomed.*

4.

The Sith Emperor, history's most powerful dark side master, performed a ritual of incredible scope to consume the life energy of every being on his homeworld.*

5.

Over 300 years ago, the great Jedi heroes Revan and Malak stumbled upon long-hidden Sith Empire's capital of Dromund Kaas, and its ruler - a mysterious, almost godlike avatar of the dark side.*

6.

Scourge expected them to search him, or at least instruct him to turn over his weapons. But Yarri and the others simply stood at attention, waiting for him to enter. The fact that they showed no concern over letting an armed Sith Lord speak to the Emperor face-to-face without any kind of preparation was a testament to the Emperor's unfathomable power.*

7.

Legions of acolytes enter the Sith Academy every year. Few survive long enough to become Sith. Looming over the valley of the Dark Lords, the Sith Academy casts a shadow across the ravine and impresses would-be Sith as a symbol of Imperial power. The pyramid's base represents the masses; the peak, rising to a point and seeming to pierce Korriban's harsh sun, embodies the blinding power of the Emperor. Every acolyte that passes through the Sith Academy's halls dreams of climbing that pyramid of power and joining the elites of the Sith.

*Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia

In not a single instance, it is implied that Exar Kun or any other practitioner of the dark arts ever matched Emperor Vitiate throughout galactic history. And the referred sourcebook covers Exar Kun.

I will not make a large reply as it is quite late here I will however state the following:

Freedon Nadd's abilities were not continued because he refused to use his cult as anything more than a stepping stone to return physically. Exar Kun took this information and unsurprisingly failed to share his knowledge to. Regardless Kun is stated to have full knowledge in JA Sourcebook.

I would be careful in dismissing sources so readily, age does not mean that it warrants dismissa. A statement in a sourcebook is only considered invalid if directly retconned by newer works.

The Dread Masters mastered the Phobis Devices collectively at will of the Emperor and became far more powerful. I do not believe their mastery of sorcery equates to immense knowledge on level of the Emperor or Exar Kun. The Phobis Devices created a hivemind among the six of them and they became collectively very powerful.

Oh and Sidious is stated to have the greatest collection ever. Logical as the Order of the Sith Lords had a thousand years of uninterrupted gathering of knowledge.

Exar Kun has displayed feats of immense magnitude such as stunning thousands, draining thousands and has one of the most impressive sorcery resumes of all time.

Exar Kun is stated essentially to be the most powerful Force User in either Jedi or Sith orders by this time. Vitiate is the one whom surpasses him eventually.

He is also stated to be unparalleled in lightsaber combat, easily dispatching a duelist as formidable and experienced as Vodo multiple times.

Kun has immense accolades with feats to match and proved his worth as a Sith Lord against post-DE Luke Skywalker despite being weak at said time.

So much BS in one post, it is hard to truly comprehend the levels of wank you place in Kun.

All of these statements are made during timeline of the Cold War and Exar Kun's multiple power level statements are still very much relevant.

The Emperor becomes more powerful afterwards, oh and of course not the entire Encyclopedia just like the Revan novel is playing to the Sith Emperor's power to build him up for the game.

Exar Kun is stated in one of the highest sourcebooks to be published as being the most powerful Sith Lord in the galaxy during the Great Sith War, it doesn't contradict a single Vitiate hype accolade as they are all stated after Kun's demise. Infact the wording fits perfectly, 'ONCE the most powerful and dangerous of the Dark Lords of the Sith.'

There is neither a contradiction nor a retcon here.

You do realize, "once" can refer to when Revan took the mantle of Dark Lord?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
So much BS in one post, it is hard to truly comprehend the levels of wank you place in Kun.

Truly awe-inspiring and emphatic debating skills, every word you post is a sight to behold. You are truly a champion of the English language.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
You do realize, "once" can refer to when Revan took the mantle of Dark Lord?

Yet Revan has no such accolades, infact even the KotOR series there are hints that Kun and Qel-Droma were much worse than Revan and Malak.

Anyway midnight here so I shall depart.

No, KotOR hints and states numerous times Revan was the most powerful Jedi the Order have ever seen.

"In battle after battle, Revan had led the Jedi and Republic forces to victory. Realizing defeat was inevitable, Mandalore the Ultimate had challenge Revan to single combat, and Revan had accepted. Though the Mandalorian fought valiantly, in the end he was no match for the Jedi Order's most powerful champion."
―Star Wars The Old Republic: Revan

"It was easy to understand how Scourge could be drawn to him; Revan's command of the Force was greater then that of anyone else she had ever met."
―Meetra Surik (Star Wars The Old Republic: Revan)

"Yet even though you are a mere apprentice, your potential is unlimited - and your progress...amazing. In all my years, I have never seen one who has mastered the initial training so quickly. You done in weeks what many cannot do in years."
―Zhar Lestin (Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic)

"The Force flows through you like no student we have ever seen."
―Zhar Lestin (Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic)

"...you must realize that Revan was as great as a Jedi could be."
―Juhani (Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic)

"Revan's tale shows us how even the greatest of Jedi can fall to the dark side."
―Dorak (Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic)