Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Indeed it is.... which is why i said "much like you, I won't be swayed" 😐
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Meetra Surik was not a Wound during her visit to Dromund Kaas and may have lost the benefits affiliated with that condition (e.g. immunity to Force Drain) but that condition was unlikely to influence her raw power and skills. She was a "powerful" Jedi at this point as pointed out in the novel.In-fact, Darth Traya is also stated to be more powerful then Meetra Surik.
How exactly?
Watch this:
Don't try to use Revan as a benchmark to judge Darth Nyriss and Meetra Surik and you will come to terms with superiority of Darth Nyriss over Meetra Surik very soon.
Fact is that Darth Nyriss was among the most powerful Sith Lords in the galaxy in an era when many Sith Lords co-existed including the Sith Triumvirate. And her performance against Lord Scourge and Meetra Surik simply solidifies her position of being a powerhouse, nothing less.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
SPEAK TO ME, FRIEND. ARE YOU INJURED? ARE YOU WELL?? WHAT ON EARTH WOULD COMPEL YOU TO SAY SUCH A THING?
That point represents my genuine belief. Mace Windu was the second most powerful Jedi in his era barring Yoda, among the finest swordsmen in galactic history, and managed to defeat Darth Sidious with his unique talents. These are sufficient indicators to acknowledge his insane combat prowess.
My love for TOR era doesn't clouds my judgment.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
😂That point represents my genuine belief. Mace Windu was the second most powerful Jedi in his era barring Yoda, among the finest swordsmen in galactic history, and managed to defeat Darth Sidious with his unique talents. These are sufficient indicators to acknowledge his insane combat prowess.
My love for TOR era doesn't clouds my judgment.
BUT EVERYONE KNOWS THAT TONS OF TOR CHARACTERS WOULD STOMP THE PT HEAVYWEIGHTS WHY ARE YOU CONTRADICTING YOURSELF?
YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY UNDER DURESS I SHALL SAVE YOU
Originally posted by The_Tempest
BUT EVERYONE KNOWS THAT TONS OF TOR CHARACTERS WOULD STOMP THE PT HEAVYWEIGHTS WHY ARE YOU CONTRADICTING YOURSELF?YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY UNDER DURESS I SHALL SAVE YOU
I do believe that TOR era witnessed greatest number of powerhouses in co-existence on few occasions because Jedi and Sith had hardened themselves with multiple wars and set a benchmark for competence for themselves to obtain victory. This is implied in Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia.
PT era had different dynamics in comparison to the TOR era because the Sith had retreated to secrecy and sabotaging the Republic from within and the Jedi became complacent due to prolonged period of peace and lacked knowledge of existence of Sith. This is also pointed out in latest Star Wars novels in the form of summaries that are detached from the actual stories.
Even if PT era of the Jedi is assumed to be the golden age for them, this is more likely for the reason that Jedi are in big numbers, flourishing, and do not have lot of external threats to contend with. Much like the golden age of Sith, I don't use this philosophy to determine competence of the Order.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Meetra Surik was not a Wound during her visit to Dromund Kaas and may have lost the benefits affiliated with that condition (e.g. immunity to Force Drain) but that condition was unlikely to influence her raw power and skills. She was a "powerful" Jedi at this point as pointed out in the novel.In-fact, Darth Traya is also stated to be more powerful then Meetra Surik.
The benefits attributed to her being wound were far greater:
- Faster Learning ability
- Mimicking a lightsaber style to near mastery
- Strength with each person she killed
- Power Via Force bonds with 6 force sensitives.
The lack of the first two would greatly influence her skills and overall fighting ability. the lack of the second two points, would like-wise greatly affect her raw power.
Yeah, true. but what is your point? Traya was stronger, but Meetra beat her...and?
How exactly?
Elaborate on what you're asking.
Watch this:
what does Revan have to do with this? that was after the events of the Revan novel.
Don't try to use Revan as a benchmark to judge Darth Nyriss and Meetra Surik and you will come to terms with superiority of Darth Nyriss over Meetra Surik very soon.
Doubtful, Nyriss is nowhere near The Exile from Kotor 2. and i still hold firm to that belief. Also what you mean "Don't try to use Revan as a benchmark to Judge Nyriss"? i didn't imply that she sucked because of Revan
Fact is that Darth Nyriss was among the most powerful Sith Lords in the galaxy in an era when many Sith Lords co-existed including the Sith Triumvirate. And her performance against Lord Scourge and Meetra Surik simply solidifies her position of being a powerhouse, nothing less.
I disagree, defeating a very weak Meetra who had lost all of the benefits of being a wound, is not impressive. defeating a sith lord who was far from his peak, is impressive, but not that much. Nyriss is strong, but Meetra's defeat is circumstantial.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Meetra Surik was not a Wound during her visit to Dromund Kaas and may have lost the benefits affiliated with that condition (e.g. immunity to Force Drain) but that condition was unlikely to influence her raw power and skills. She was a "powerful" Jedi at this point as pointed out in the novel.In-fact, Darth Traya is also stated to be more powerful then Meetra Surik.
How exactly?
Watch this:
Don't try to use Revan as a benchmark to judge Darth Nyriss and Meetra Surik and you will come to terms with superiority of Darth Nyriss over Meetra Surik very soon.
Fact is that Darth Nyriss was among the most powerful Sith Lords in the galaxy in an era when many Sith Lords co-existed including the Sith Triumvirate. And her performance against Lord Scourge and Meetra Surik simply solidifies her position of being a powerhouse, nothing less.
How Exactly.. Like Revan reborn....
The matter iz about wich Dark Revan are you talking about? Doez 3.0 Dark Revan even zeparate from the light part iz able to channeling both zid of the force and uze together az Revan reborn? Like force protection, tutaminiz + abzorbtion, + zuper force buble zhield + Lighning + forcz ztorm in the zame time....
Revan reborn ztill more powerfull....
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You serious?Darth Nyriss outdueled and overwhelmed Lord Scourge and Meetra Surik simultaneously. Quinlan Vos is a joke for her.
While furious at her betrayal, on a Dark Side Nexus and closer to death than anyone has ever seen.
Sure, Vos would die, but it wouldn't be a stomp.
- Faster Learning ability- Mimicking a lightsaber style to near mastery
- Strength with each person she killed
- Power Via Force bonds with 6 force sensitives.
1.) This is irrelevant. All this means is that Meetra didn't get any stronger since KOTOR 2.
2.) So? She knows those lightsaber forms now, it's not like she forgot them.
3.) That strength didn't evaporate into thin air, you know. This is the same as point #1.
4.) Those Force Bonds are still there, dude.
Doubtful, Nyriss is nowhere near The Exile from Kotor 2.
Except that she defeated the Exile.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
😂I do believe that TOR era witnessed greatest number of powerhouses in co-existence on few occasions because Jedi and Sith had hardened themselves with multiple wars and set a benchmark for competence for themselves to obtain victory. This is implied in [B]Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia.
PT era had different dynamics in comparison to the TOR era because the Sith had retreated to secrecy and sabotaging the Republic from within and the Jedi became complacent due to prolonged period of peace and lacked knowledge of existence of Sith. This is also pointed out in latest Star Wars novels in the form of summaries that are detached from the actual stories.
Even if PT era of the Jedi is assumed to be the golden age for them, this is more likely for the reason that Jedi are in big numbers, flourishing, and do not have lot of external threats to contend with. Much like the golden age of Sith, I don't use this philosophy to determine competence of the Order. [/B]
THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU CONTRADICTING YOURSELF. CLEARLY TOR IS JUST BETTERER THAN THE PT IN ALL WAYS NOT JUST WAR IM SURE TOR SECRECY > PT SECRECY SO WHY ARE YOU SAYING THESE COOL THINGS ABOUT MACE WINDU
Originally posted by NewGuy01
1.) This is irrelevant. All this means is that Meetra didn't get any stronger since KOTOR 2.2.) So? She knows those lightsaber forms now, it's not like she forgot them.
3.) That strength didn't evaporate into thin air, you know. This is the same as point #1.
4.) Those Force Bonds are still there, .
1- No, having lost that ability would greatly impair her.
2- She knows Shii-Cho, Makashi, Soresu and Juyo, The first three supposedly came back "naturally" according to Kreia and the last one she could have mimicked from Atris. Seeing as how Meetra lost all of her knowledge - Battle Meditation, Breath Control and force immunity abilities, her losing her knowledge of the forms she mimicked is also likely. Plus, we also have to take into consideration the fact that we don't know which forum the masters taught her. She could have learned Force forms or Lightsaber forms, it's a big unknown.
3- unless you're cut off from the thing that allowed you to feed off that deatb and power.
4- I'm unsure of this part, one of the masters said she had the force bond ability before she went to Malachor.. curious even then, she lost two of her supporters. Mira and Bao Dur, possibly Atton as well if we count cut-content. And of course she lost Kreia.
Except that she defeated the Exile.