Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
In case, you missed:Vrook Lamar to Revan: "The Force flows through you like no student we have ever seen."
Surik's dueling skills are not in dispute, I have always admired her martial prowess. Her martial abilities may have been a major factor in her victory on Malachor V.
And?
Congratulations, Revan isn't knight level. What a phenomenal accomplishment. 😱
Originally posted by Selenial
Wrong wrong wrong wrong, wrong wrong wrong wrong.He outdueled a Jedi Master who was "A master of Lightsaber combat" and force crushed her like an absolute boss... He wasn't a mook.
However, Darth Sion immensely benefitted from his immortality during his confrontations. He was struck down many times in his battles only to rise up again and again to defeat his adversaries.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I am not asserting that he was a mook. Above average, yes.However, Darth Sion immensely benefitted from his immortality during his confrontations. He was struck down many times in his battles only to rise up again and again to defeat his adversaries.
Except the mere ability to stave off death is incredibly impressive.
He was struck down in battle because he relished it, and even then most of the time it was while outnumbered.
If you have any examples of someone who is not incredibly powerful beating him, I'd love to hear them.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
It refutes this claim:
He lowballs Meetra, that is true. The other masters say she mastered the form they tought, even Vash. He says her form is sloppy.
However when she replicates him as a Dark Jedi, he is terrified.
It's obvious he is lowballing her simply because he does not want to admit he was wrong, or praise someone he despises.
Vrook on the other hand for Revan, treated him with a cold shoulder, constantly said he was falling to the Dark Side and was in danger of even training him.
The point Fated was making is that Vrook's a jackass, nothing more.
Originally posted by Selenial
Except the mere ability to stave off death is incredibly impressive.
Sion finds that keeping his decomposing flesh tethered together with dark side energy is inexplicably painful, and requires endless concentration on the rage that festers inside him - but immortality is immortality. (Taken from Knights of the Old Republic - Campaign Guide)
Originally posted by Selenial
He was struck down in battle because he relished it, and even then most of the time it was while outnumbered.If you have any examples of someone who is not incredibly powerful beating him, I'd love to hear them.
Sion embarks on a Jedi-assassination spree, "dying" many more times, but always ending more lives. (Taken from Knights of the Old Republic - Campaign Guide)
Darth Traya easily humbled him on Malachor V. And Meetra Surik convinced him to give-up with Dun Moch. Apart from these two, other adversaries are unknown.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Indeed. However, this also implies that he is expending lot of energy performing this act alone.Sion finds that keeping his decomposing flesh tethered together with dark side energy is inexplicably painful, and requires endless concentration on the rage that festers inside him - but immortality is immortality. (Taken from [B]Knights of the Old Republic - Campaign Guide
)This;
Sion embarks on a Jedi-assassination spree, "dying" many more times, but always ending more lives. (Taken from Knights of the Old Republic - Campaign Guide)
Darth Traya easily humbled him on Malachor V. And Meetra Surik convinced him to give-up with Dun Moch. Apart from these two, other adversaries are unknown. [/B]
Exactly, that just shows that being able to stay in a trance and simultaneously kill hundreds of Jedi is an impressive feat.
And that doesnt mean he was killed in Single combat, he was likely ganged up upon. The fact that he managed to compete with Jedi Masters who were masters of Lightsaber combat shows he was talented, and force crushing them even more so.
Being beaten by Surik and Traya isn't exactly degrading.
Originally posted by Selenial
He lowballs Meetra, that is true. The other masters say she mastered the form they tought, even Vash. He says her form is sloppy.
However when she replicates him as a Dark Jedi, he is terrified.It's obvious he is lowballing her simply because he does not want to admit he was wrong, or praise someone he despises.
Vrook on the other hand for Revan, treated him with a cold shoulder, constantly said he was falling to the Dark Side and was in danger of even training him.
The point Fated was making is that Vrook's a jackass, nothing more.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Quote for Lonna Vash being a master of lightsaber combat?
Implies that to be on the council, one must be a master of Lightsaber combat. Which is fitting, since every Jedi you encounter from the Council were indeed masters of the blade. Zez Kai Ell, Traya, Kavarr, Vrook, Atris, Vandar, all of them.
Originally posted by Selenial
Exactly, that just shows that being able to stay in a trance and simultaneously kill hundreds of Jedi is an impressive feat.And that doesnt mean he was killed in Single combat, he was likely ganged up upon. The fact that he managed to compete with Jedi Masters who were masters of Lightsaber combat shows he was talented, and force crushing them even more so.
Being beaten by Surik and Traya isn't exactly degrading.
Which of his adversaries have been confirmed to be Jedi Masters and expert swordsmen barring Darth Traya?
Darth Sion immensely benefitted from his immortality, not much from his skills since he ended-up struck down many times as well. This isn't a great display of combat prowess.
I am not asserting that his loss to those two degrades him, but this does affirm that a powerful adversary can defeat and/or humble him. And not a single source confirms that Darth Sion have ever managed to defeat a powerful adversary under fair circumstances. Therefore, his power and skills are certainly in question if he is being used as an example to hype Meetra Surik.
Originally posted by Selenial
"As a former member of the Jedi Council, Darth Traya is a master of lightsaber combat"Implies that to be on the council, one must be a master of Lightsaber combat. Which is fitting, since every Jedi you encounter from the Council were indeed masters of the blade. Zez Kai Ell, Traya, Kavarr, Vrook, Atris, Vandar, all of them.
Jedi Masters do not become members of the Jedi High Council on the basis of their skill and powers. They mostly acquire such positions by being role-model Jedi. Yes, powerful Jedi do often arrive in the Jedi High Council but this is not a requirement.
Originally posted by Selenial
And he does praise Surik.What's your point?
KoTOR II doesn't hypes Meetra Surik as a super-strong Force-user, it hypes her as being the best student of Darth Traya/Jedi Master Kriea. However, the same source immensely hypes Revan in relation to his power.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Not necessarily.Jedi Masters do not become members of the Jedi High Council on the basis of their skill and powers. They mostly acquire such positions by being role-model Jedi. Yes, powerful Jedi do often arrive in the Jedi High Council but this is not a requirement.
Except that quote says exactly that, you have to be a master of Lightsaber combat.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Not a single disclosure implies that he was ganged-up. Not ruling out the possibility but you make it sound like as if this was norm which isn't the case.Which of his adversaries have been confirmed to be Jedi Masters and expert swordsmen barring Darth Traya?
Darth Sion immensely benefitted from his immortality, not much from his skills since he ended-up struck down many times as well. This isn't a great display of combat prowess.
I am not asserting that his loss to those two degrades him, but this does affirm that a powerful adversary can defeat and/or humble him. And not a single source confirms that Darth Sion have ever managed to defeat a powerful adversary under fair circumstances. Therefore, his power and skills are certainly in question if he is being used as an example to hype Meetra Surik.
They don't, you're right. However the fact he beat a council member who's a master of Lightsaber combat proves that there must have been many people...