Originally posted by Tony Stark
Everyone outside of you, knows that Mr. Fixit is at a base HULK in strength... Please enlighten us on what he is?
You just contradicted yourself, "base Hulk" is above class 70 by quite a bit
Post Binary (when reduced to her new "standard" levles) i was of the belief that Carols stats were raised a few notches. Where she was once a 50 tonner and went up to class 100+ as binary post binary shes supposed to be around 75 tons. Thing was originally around 70 amd I beleive is closer to 80/90 these days. Ben has a strength advantage but a small one.
Carol however has a massive speed advantage, flight and energy projection and manioulation. If BFR were on the table she wouldnt even need to touchmor get close to Ben to pick himmup as she could do so (and has) with energy constructs.
Carol should win in a good fight due to versatility
Originally posted by Tony Stark
Ben has dominated Simon each time they've tussled
Team Ben could argue that Ben was aware of this and was holding back (which he was and it was stated on panel) and still won.
The one fight they had with the least amount of shenanigans was in West Coast Avengers 75. Does anyone have the issue? The WCA and the FF were tricked into fighting each other.
Originally posted by zopzop
Team Simon could just argue that most of the times they fought, Simon was under some sort of outside influence (Xemu and Puppet Master).Team Ben could argue that Ben was aware of this and was holding back (which he was and it was stated on panel) and still won.
The one fight they had with the least amount of shenanigans was in West Coast Avengers 75. Does anyone have the issue? The WCA and the FF were tricked into fighting each other.
simon was mind whammied in that fight too and it wasn't really a fight at all as much as it was a single punch thrown by ben that hit simon who was slowed due to the spell he was under. after the punch ironman attacked ben and clint took him out with a single arrow. lol
classic wca stuff.... anyway, absolutely nothing to be gleaned from that meeting.
Originally posted by beatboks
You just contradicted yourself, "base Hulk" is above class 70 by quite a bitPost Binary (when reduced to her new "standard" levles) i was of the belief that Carols stats were raised a few notches. Where she was once a 50 tonner and went up to class 100+ as binary post binary shes supposed to be around 75 tons. Thing was originally around 70 amd I beleive is closer to 80/90 these days. Ben has a strength advantage but a small one.
Carol however has a massive speed advantage, flight and energy projection and manioulation. If BFR were on the table she wouldnt even need to touchmor get close to Ben to pick himmup as she could do so (and has) with energy constructs.
Carol should win in a good fight due to versatility
HULK's base WAS CL70 it is now CL100
Ben's used to be CL5 he is now CL100+
Carol used to be CL15 she is now CL70 (as Binary CL100+)
Ben wins 11/10
One theres no such thing as a base hulk. Forum myth, he starts at an average of whatever incarnation he is. "Base" hulk is banner. Anyway this doesn't mean a no limit fallacy is applied it just means we go by averages. So he's not delivering asteroid shattering blows at the beginning of the bout. Second Carol isn't a great match for heavy hitters, her durability is sketchy. And Ben has weathered some of the worst beatings in comics. If he's serious imo carol gets raped...again