Originally posted by h1a8
because gamora can ko him. Why would he have Batman with weapons that kill and can't ko if he didn't want batman to use them for that purpose?
So your opinion is that the to the death part was meant for the character that has a rule against killing, while the KO option was meant to the cl 60-70 trained assassin.
Do you realize just how incredibly stupid that sounds?
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
You do realize that 90% of the time I put:"Fight to the Death or KO with no BFR allowed..." in my fight threads?
Its almost automatic; sometimes I expect you all to be cerebral enough to infer intent however...
Batman wasnt given Adamantium Katana's to tickle her with; you are smart enough to know that...
Youu have to come to an understanding. This is Batman that we are debating, and not Owlman, who would still get his head handed to him even going full out against an opponent that would be nearly impossible for someone of his physical stats to defeat. Comparing Gamora to Batman in terms of all rounded physical ability, is like comparing an ant to a cat. His character dictates that he would not go for the kill no matter what you give him. He has a penis right? Do you see him running around raping women? He could but he doesn't because it's not in his character to do so. Gamora on the other hand fights to kill 80% of the time. Many of the people that voted for Batman are fans, or they may not be familiar with Gamora.
Let's look at this on paper.
Who's faster? Gamora by a lot.
Who's stronger? Gamora by a country mile, which automatically gives her the nod over him in the speed category.
Who has a healing factor? Gamora
Who has better combat mechanics? About the same, or people should lean towards Gamora, because she was trained to kill, while he trained to neutralize without killing.
Who is more durable? Gamora by a lot.
Who is more agile? Gamora by a lot considering the strength advantage. If Bruce can make a vertical leap of 18 feet, while weighing over 200 lbs and being peak human. Gamora would be able to leap 100 feet + with ease, while weighing only 150 lbs. because she can lift between 60-70 tons.
If they fought it out in close combat, Batman would have to roll with every impact that was delivered to him, because Gamora is naturally more durable, and stronger than he is. Her kicks would literally cut right through him like a knife through butter if you consider how much stronger she is than he is.
Originally posted by h1a8
ABC logic doesn't work when characters have totally different power sets and fighting styles. Gamora has the power output to affect those beings and she out class them in speed and skill as well.
She can effect those characters but not Batman?
Batman has the speed and skill. Give him two Adamantium swords with killer intent and he would do better than Gamora. See you are comparing Gamora to Batman without swords and without killer intent. If that was the case then you would have a slight point.
No, I'm not. Gamora is good enough to take a few hits from Batman and his swords in order to take one or both of them off of him. What you fail to realize is that one hit from Gamora should actually kill Batman, and she will hit him. There's no way of getting by that.
Originally posted by tkitna
She can effect those characters but not Batman?No, I'm not. Gamora is good enough to take a few hits from Batman and his swords in order to take one or both of them off of him. What you fail to realize is that one hit from Gamora should actually kill Batman, and she will hit him. There's no way of getting by that.
That's not what would happen brother. Batman would not hit her before she hit him. She's considerably smaller than him, and much much stronger, which automatically means that she is much much faster than he is, and she's been fighting at a very high level since childhood. A lot of people don't realize it, but Gamora is a little beast. Batman would realize too late that he was up against one of the most dangerous opponents that he has ever faced. I mean can you see Nightwing going blow for blow against a class 60-70? I can't.
Originally posted by Silent Master
So your opinion is that the to the death part was meant for the character that has a rule against killing, while the KO option was meant to the cl 60-70 trained assassin.Do you realize just how incredibly stupid that sounds?
Whats stupid is the way you are splitting hairs on this...
The point has been clear for quite a while now...
Batman is going for the kill here...
Lets move on...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Whats stupid is the way you are splitting hairs on this...The point has been clear for quite a while now...
Batman is going for the kill here...
Lets move on...
He would still lose. She would automatically get the first attack. She's much faster, can fight on his level, has a healing factor, is more durable, has superior agility, and is much much stronger than he is. Batman can not win this, he's simply out of his weight class.
Originally posted by tkitna
Not sure why everyone is so hung up on Batman being out of character if he tried to kill during this fight. The OP stated he's bloodlusted which means he would kill given the chance. Who cares? It doesn't matter because he gets his ass handed to him regardless.
Actually, the OP doesn't state he's bloodlusted, it states that the fight is to the death or KO. The thread starter added the bloodlust because he didn't like the way the voting was going.
Not that it changes the fact that Gamora wins, but it does go a long way to show LOM's true purpose for making this thread.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Actually, the OP doesn't state he's bloodlusted, it states that the fight is to the death or KO. The thread starter added the bloodlust because he didn't like the way the voting was going.Not that it changes the fact that Gamora wins, but it does go a long way to show LOM's true purpose for making this thread.
Blah blah blahhhhhhhh...
This has already been adressed and you lost that portion of the debate...
Originally posted by Stoic
He would still lose. She would automatically get the first attack. She's much faster, can fight on his level, has a healing factor, is more durable, has superior agility, and is much much stronger than he is. Batman can not win this, he's simply out of his weight class.
Except Batmans feats scream superhuman...
He bloodied Darkseid...he beat the justice league...Gamora cant mess with The Goddamned BATMAN!!!!...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Except Batmans feats scream superhuman...He bloodied Darkseid...he beat the justice league...Gamora cant mess with The Goddamned BATMAN!!!!...
Darksied grabbed him and smashed him through a wall, and if he didn't have that armor on he would have been crippled. You can't compare batman to someone that has combat mechanics that are as good as his are, or better, is faster than him, and far stronger. Tony Stark also has feats that scream super human at times, and she hurt him by just having sex with him. Imagine if she was trying to hurt a peak human, with the frailty that comes along with it? Like I said, she could literally kick a hole right through him with the considerable strength advantage that she has on him. This is just a poor match for him. You can call him what you want, but at the end of the day, he's up against a character that surpasses him in every way in therms of physicality. This is like putting Bane up against Hercules, and expecting him to do well.
Originally posted by shiv
-Gamora can nerve strike the f&^$% out of an opponent stronger and faster than herAnd Batman Can Not Do This?
Batman is not as fast as she is, and I'm glad that you realize that Batman did not train to kill his opponents, but to neutralize them. This may as well be Adam West, because Batman hasn't done anything outside of what Captain America (Steve), or the Black Panther are capable of doing. Gamora is simply above these guys. She has a healing factor, she's faster, stronger, and can fight as well as he can if not better due to her being faster. She is lighter than he is, and once again in case you missed it, she is faster because of this huge strength disparity, which also automatically makes her agility far greater than his. Think about it for a few minutes. Let me spell it out to you. She is smaller than he is, and faster, which automatically grants her a huge agility bonus over him. And she can fight with the best of them.
To answer your question. Batman can do this, but not to the degree that she can.
Let's put it another way. We all know Batman is going to get hit in this fight. He gets hit when fighting people like Shiva, Batgirl, etc... Ladies who are insane when it comes to H2H. Gamora is one of them, but she has the added bonus of being a high end mid-tier meta. So when Batman gets hit, and he will, we take into account that this is a Forum Match, not a comic match.
The first hit Gamora lands will end this fight. A glancing hit will probably fracture or break something. And Batman having swords doesn't help as much as many people might think. Look at Wolverine. Someone who is clearly stronger than Batman. He has Adamantium claws, but he has trouble cutting people with high durability because he doesn't have the strength necessary to use his claws to their full potential. Colossus, Hulk, Thor, etc...
So while he can cut her if he hits her with the blade, he'll have less cutting power because he's using a two handed weapon in either hand. Also because it's Adamantium, it's heavy as shit even for someone like Batman. Not enough to make him not effective, but it will noticeably effect his performance. Any cuts would be within her ability to heal.
Originally posted by KingD19
Look at Wolverine. Someone who is clearly stronger than Batman. He has Adamantium claws, but he has trouble cutting people with high durability because he doesn't have the strength necessary to use his claws to their full potential. Colossus, Hulk, Thor, etc...
Didn't Wolverine fail to even land a strike until she got distracted? Its been awhile since I've read the comic.
Batman cant win this.
Originally posted by Silent MasterYou are deluded here. It's obvious that the op wanted Batman to be willing to use deadly force. Otherwise, why give him swords? Swords don't ko, they kill. What would be the reason to give batman a weapon he will not use.
Actually, the OP doesn't state he's bloodlusted, it states that the fight is to the death or KO. The thread starter added the bloodlust because he didn't like the way the voting was going.Not that it changes the fact that Gamora wins, but it does go a long way to show LOM's true purpose for making this thread.
The op isn't changing anything but clarifying the obvious.
Originally posted by h1a8
You are deluded here. It's obvious that the op wanted Batman to be willing to use deadly force. Otherwise, why give him swords? Swords don't ko, they kill. What would be the reason to give batman a weapon he will not use.The op isn't changing anything but clarifying the obvious.
IOW, you think the KO option was meant for the trained assassin, rather than the character that has a rule against killing.
Are you aware of how stupid that sounds?