Batman vs Gamora...

Originally posted by h1a8
Ok let's see. Everyone and their momma knows that Gamora would beat batman straight up. No one here has argued otherwise. The initial voting was close, before the op clarified. Obviously everyone, except you, knew that Batman was fighting to kill. Otherwise he wouldn't have gotten any votes.

So going with forum rules, are you saying that if I create a thread where Batman is to use a gun that disintegrates but i fail to mention bloodlust, then we are to assume in character?

1. OP never said it was bloodlusted;
2. Batman as standard gear ALWAYS carries lethal ordnance. Going with forum rules, if you created a thread with Batman as standard, and failed to specify bloodlust - guess what, he's not shoving C4 in his opponents' mouths, or throwing electrified batarangs into his opponents' eyes, or acid down their throats.

Neither is he using his cape to suffocate them, or using sleeping gas to OD them, using fire batarangs to cut their throats etc.

He's still in character.

Originally posted by h1a8
Ok let's see. Everyone and their momma knows that Gamora would beat batman straight up. No one here has argued otherwise. The initial voting was close, before the op clarified. Obviously everyone, except you, knew that Batman was fighting to kill. Otherwise he wouldn't have gotten any votes.

So going with forum rules, are you saying that if I create a thread where Batman is to use a gun that disintegrates but i fail to mention bloodlust, then we are to assume in character?

Who cares about votes? A sock could have logged into their various accounts, and voted multiple times. Or you have DC fans that will only give DC characters the win but refuse to give any reason behind their choice, just that they like Batman more. You come on here talking about speed, strength, and power all of the time. Well Gamora has all of these over Batman, and she can fight as well as he can if not better because she is stronger, which automatically leads to her being faster, which also leads to her being more agile because she is smaller than he is, and weighs less than he does. You can admit it. You simply wanted to be contrary, even when you admit that Gamora would wipe the floor with Batman.

Darksaint brought up very valuable points. CIS, and CIP are still on. If not we are talking about Batman with Owlman's mindset, he would still lose. So far your strongest argument is that the votes are close.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Again, show me where in the OP Batman is stated to be bloodlusted.

Originally posted by h1a8
if you want to argue semantics and not intent then you win. No use of arguing semantics. The mod can just close this thread and the op creates another with exact wording.

IOW, you admit that the OP never actually stated that either character was bloodlusted.

Finally.

Originally posted by Stoic
Who cares about votes? A sock could have logged into their various accounts, and voted multiple times. Or you have DC fans that will only give DC characters the win but refuse to give any reason behind their choice, just that they like Batman more. You come on here talking about speed, strength, and power all of the time. Well Gamora has all of these over Batman, and she can fight as well as he can if not better because she is stronger, which automatically leads to her being faster, which also leads to her being more agile because she is smaller than he is, and weighs less than he does. You can admit it. You simply wanted to be contrary, even when you admit that Gamora would wipe the floor with Batman.

Darksaint brought up very valuable points. CIS, and CIP are still on. If not we are talking about Batman with Owlman's mindset, he would still lose. So far your strongest argument is that the votes are close.

Originally posted by Stoic
Owlman

Owlman. Owlman

Owlman

You really are committed to de-powering Batman aren't cha?

Originally posted by shiv
You really are committed to de-powering Batman aren't cha?

Huh?

Originally posted by shiv
You really are committed to de-powering Batman aren't cha?

Having him fight as Batman is depowering him?

Originally posted by h1a8
you keep saying the same thing. I told you that batman is faster by feats.
His feats are simply superior. No one is arguing strength but speed. They are not related, otherwise Juggernaut, Thing, etc ultimate be a lot faster.
Speed is proven by feats only. Reflexes is another thing. Strength doesn't affect that at all.

But he isn't faster based on feats. You are correct, the stronger opponent is faster in terms of initial burst speeds, but their bulk would slow them down over a prolonged period of time. Gamora is not bulky. By feats she is much faster, and her stats are much better. Reflexes, and agility are different things as well. Strength does affect agility, as does size, and weight.

What intent are you arguing here? Blood lusted isn't mentioned in the OP. KO or to the death is. batman by character would be going for the KO. Gamora by character, would see the swords, and go for the kill. She would kill him, just like Zealot would kill. him. Gamora would simply be able to do it easier. Didn't you say that you thought that she would wipe the floor with him? If so stick to it, because you are correct, she will kill him.

Angela is much faster than Batman, and Gamora reacted, and blocked every killing blow that she threw her way. You may not be aware of their battle, but now you are. What you are doing is comparing the lethargic strong characters that Batman has danced around to Gamora.

Tell you what, why don't you mathematically prove that Batman is faster than she is based on both of their stats? You should do that.

Originally posted by shiv
You really are committed to de-powering Batman aren't cha?

The character that you are arguing is Batman with Owlman's mindset. Batman is not a killer, he would be the one going in for the KO, while Gamora seeing the swords would be going in for the kill. We can't ignore character, or we will be fighting for the character.

Owlman is Owlman.

Bruce Wayne = An orchestra going on behind his eyes.

Originally posted by shiv
Owlman is Owlman.

Bruce Wayne = An orchestra going on behind his eyes.

And that orchestra is dedicated to not killing.

Originally posted by h1a8
yes, in a forum fight. Otherwise why give him deadly weapons if he's not going to use them?
It don't take a rocket scientist to know what the op wanted when he created the thread. Obviously he knows gamora>>>batman. That's why he gave batman the swords TO USE.

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Those arguing this point with you are being @ssholes; they absolutely knew the intent...

The intent has been clarified...

But they keep on harping their flawed point; they are doing this because a blood lusted Batman kills Gamora here and they dont like it...

@Stoic...

On the surface, everything you say about the gulf in physical abilities between Batman and Gamora is true, but these are comicbook characters and logic rarely applies...

Wonder Woman and various other members of the Justice League have all those same alledged physical advantages against Batman and it didnt do them any good whatsoever...they all got beat.

I maintain that applies to this fight as well; you maintain that Batman is peak human in this fight...I maintain that he is superhuman based on a long history of superhuman feats that contradict him being peak human over and over and over again.

Originally posted by shiv
Owlman is Owlman.

Bruce Wayne = An orchestra going on behind his eyes.

That still doesn't explain how we are de-powering Batman.

@DarkSaint and Silent Master

Lets put this to bed...

Why do you think I gave Batman two Primary Adamantium Swords?

Do you think I intended for him to tickle her with them? Do you think I intended for him to hit her with the sword hilt?

If you answered yes to either them you are a d@m fool; the implication is that he has them to slice and dice...

You both d@m well know this; why are you arguing otherwise?

Being straight up with you guys, normal Batman cannot win this fight...

I know this, you know this, we all know this...

He needs the ability to score a one-hit-kill to have a realistic chance of winning...

And my solution for him having the capablility to do this was to have him weild Primary Adamantium Katana's...

You both know this; its easily deduced, so please stop being @ssholes about the wording...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And that orchestra is dedicated to not killing.

The OP has established intent.

what we have here is a Whole Orchestra Crescendo.

Originally posted by shiv
The OP has established intent.

what we have here is a Whole Orchestra Crescendo.

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What feats does Batman have that convinces people to think he's faster then Gamora? I'm just curious. Gamora doesn't have a ton of appearances, but she's an agile, fast, deadly superhuman. Batman is just a man. I just cant see Batman doing some type of speed feat that Gamora couldn't do better.

They start the battle 5 KILOMETERS Apart.

Not standing face to face and toe to toe, breathing on each other.

Sheesh.

Originally posted by shiv
They start the battle 5 KILOMETERS Apart.

Not standing face to face and toe to toe, breathing on each other.

Sheesh.

Since you want to go that route, it is a featureless environment, which means that they can still see each other. Why not just speed things along, and say that they start 20 feet apart? The only thing that the distance that you suggest for them the begin at will do, is tucker Bruce out a bit, which would give Gamora an even larger advantage.