Batman vs Gamora...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So whenever Batman fights with swords, he's out to kill?

Someone better warn Ra's.

Originally posted by Stoic
Batman is not as fast as she is, and I'm glad that you realize that Batman did not train to kill his opponents, but to neutralize them. This may as well be Adam West, because Batman hasn't done anything outside of what Captain America (Steve), or the Black Panther are capable of doing. Gamora is simply above these guys. She has a healing factor, she's faster, stronger, and can fight as well as he can if not better due to her being faster. She is lighter than he is, and once again in case you missed it, she is faster because of this huge strength disparity, which also automatically makes her agility far greater than his. Think about it for a few minutes. Let me spell it out to you. She is smaller than he is, and faster, which automatically grants her a huge agility bonus over him. And she can fight with the best of them.

To answer your question. Batman can do this, but not to the degree that she can.

Yes, but CIS and CIP still apply even in the forum.

And the stipulations of the fight say death OR KO.

Batman is famed for 'finding another way'. He does not kill.

He will go for the KO, in character, as its pretty central for him.

Originally posted by tkitna
Didn't Wolverine fail to even land a strike until she got distracted? Its been awhile since I've read the comic.

Batman cant win this.

Forum fights are in character unless stated otherwise

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It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise

In character, Batman doesn't kill.....Bloodlust was added because the OP didn't like the way the voting/thread was going. Not that it really matter as Gamora still wins.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes, but CIS and CIP still apply even in the forum.

And the stipulations of the fight say death OR KO.

Batman is famed for 'finding another way'. He does not kill.

He will go for the KO, in character, as its pretty central for him.

Why give Batman objects that kill when he isn't going to use them?
So if the op says Batman gets a gun that disintegrates an opponent should we assume Batman will drop the gun at the beginning of the fight?

Originally posted by Stoic
I'm glad that you realize that Batman did not train to kill his opponents, but to neutralize them.

You have incorrect data.

Originally posted by Stoic
Batman is not as fast as she is.

They start 5 kilometers apart.

Can she move faster than the speed of sound?

Originally posted by Stoic Batman hasn't done anything outside of what Captain America (Steve), or the Black Panther are capable of doing[/B]

When have BP and CAP ever performed a feat on an equal level to touching and stealing something from a being with an Omega Class Bio Aura and Omega Level Senses (Superman) completely un-detected and remain completely un-detected. By anyone.

Originally posted by Stoic She has a healing factor[/B]

Does she have Higher Durability Stats than Grundy?

Originally posted by Stoic she's faster, stronger, and can fight as well as he can if not better due to her being faster. She is lighter than he is[/B]

Batman isn't here for a sparring session.

[i]she is faster because of this huge strength disparity, which also automatically makes her agility far greater than his. Think about it for a few minutes. Let me spell it out to you. She is smaller than he is, and faster, which automatically grants her a huge agility bonus over him. And she can fight with the best of them.[/B]

And yet she still gets wet in the rain.

With the OP removing CIS

(Blood Lust)

I see no reason to reason to continue the pretence Batman is not an assasin.

The Entire Roster of the League of Assasins did not spend years teaching Bruce Wayne How to bake cup cakes.

Originally posted by h1a8
yes, in a forum fight. Otherwise why give him deadly weapons if he's not going to use them?
It don't take a rocket scientist to know what the op wanted when he created the thread. Obviously he knows gamora>>>batman. That's why he gave batman the swords TO USE.

if you know anything then you would know that we go by feats in deciding who is faster, stronger, etc. Batman is faster because his FEATS are better. Agility and strength means nothing here, speed, reflexes, and skill does. With swords that cut through anything very easily and with speed, batman easily beats her.

If you went by feats, and actually knew Gamora as a character, and weren't standing behind batman, because he's simply a DC character, you would know that Gamora is faster than he is. We also go by common sense which you have seemingly thrown to the wind by not realizing that someone that are leagues stronger, can fight at a very high level based on actual on panel showings (which in case you forgot are feats), and is much smaller than Batman would beat him with one hit. Batman going by feats got into a one on one with another peak human with fighting skills (Night Wing), and he was being hit, and busted open. Gamora would bust him open with one hit, and this is based on her busting up far more durable guys than Batman. Batman is out of his depth here, just like he would be out of his depth if he fought another version of himself that was much stronger, tougher, more durable, faster, more agile, and had a healing factor. What next? Batman can beat Adam Warlock in a fight? Is was made painfully clear that Batman could be beaten by less than Gamora when Zealot cut his head off.

Originally posted by h1a8
Why act as if you don't know what the op meant? This isn't a court case where exact words means everything. We must use common sense.

Why give Batman objects that kill when he isn't going to use them?
So if the op says Batman gets a gun that disintegrates an opponent should we assume Batman will drop the gun at the beginning of the fight?

IOW, you want to ignore the rules of the forum.

The basic definition of an Assassin is a person who kills people. Batman is so against killing he lets people like Joker continue to f*ck Gotham up and murder thousands of people because he refuses to kill. Batman probably can't even spell Assassin it's such a foreign term to him. He might have been trained by the League of Assassin's, but he's clearly not one.

Even Superman kills people. Batman doesn't.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Forum fights are in character unless stated otherwise

In character, Batman doesn't kill.....Bloodlust was added because the OP didn't like the way the voting/thread was going. Not that it really matter as Gamora still wins.

In other words, stop lying on people. If you don't know why a person did something then don't make up something and calling it the trust. At worst you really don't know.

Originally posted by Silent Master
IOW, you want to ignore the rules of the forum.

Originally posted by h1a8
That's where you are wrong. Bloodlust has always been the intent. If you were smart enough then you would clearly know that. Otherwise how in the hell would those swords be any use to batman in koing her? I'm thinking you are smart enough and just trying to stir up trouble because you don't like batman winning this fight.

In other words, stop lying on people. If you don't know why a person did something then don't make up something and calling it the trust. At worst you really don't know.

Per forum rules people are in character unless stated otherwise, show me where in the OP Batman is stated to be bloodlusted.

Originally posted by h1a8
Why act as if you don't know what the op meant? This isn't a court case where exact words means everything. We must use common sense.

Why give Batman objects that kill when he isn't going to use them?
So if the op says Batman gets a gun that disintegrates an opponent should we assume Batman will drop the gun at the beginning of the fight?

Common sense, OK.

Why give him swords, if he isn't going to use them? Why have KO as a victory condition, with a character famed for preferring to KO an opponent rather than kill? You act as if everytime Batman goes out and doesn't use his C4 to blow people's heads off, its PIS. When its actually CIP/CIS.

So batman with two Adamantium swords somehow helps batman kos gamora better than no swords.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Common sense, OK.

Why give him swords, if he isn't going to use them? Why have KO as a victory condition, with a character famed for preferring to KO an opponent rather than kill? You act as if everytime Batman goes out and doesn't use his C4 to blow people's heads off, its PIS. When its actually CIP/CIS.

Originally posted by h1a8
So batman with two Adamantium swords somehow helps batman kos gamora better than no swords.

Point out where in the OP Batman is stated to be bloodlusted.

Originally posted by h1a8
because gamora can ko batman, that's why.

And you're telling me if Batman knew the victory conditions, he will choose to kill rather than KO?

And everytime he doesn't use his batarangs to slice the Joker's throat, it's PIS?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Per forum rules people are in character unless stated otherwise, show me where in the OP Batman is stated to be bloodlusted.

Ok let's see. Everyone and their momma knows that Gamora would beat batman straight up. No one here has argued otherwise. The initial voting was close, before the op clarified. Obviously everyone, except you, knew that Batman was fighting to kill. Otherwise he wouldn't have gotten any votes.

So going with forum rules, are you saying that if I create a thread where Batman is to use a gun that disintegrates but i fail to mention bloodlust, then we are to assume in character?

Originally posted by h1a8
Ok let's see. Everyone and their momma knows that Gamora would beat batman straight up. No one here has argued otherwise. The initial voting was close, before the op clarified. Obviously everyone, except you, knew that Batman was fighting to kill. Otherwise he wouldn't have gotten any votes.

So going with forum rules, are you saying that if I create a thread where Batman is to use a gun that disintegrates but i fail to mention bloodlust, then we are to assume in character?

Again, show me where in the OP Batman is stated to be bloodlusted.

Originally posted by shiv
You have incorrect data.

They start 5 kilometers apart.

Can she move faster than the speed of sound?

When have BP and CAP ever performed a feat on an equal level to touching and stealing something from a being with an Omega Class Bio Aura and Omega Level Senses (Superman) completely un-detected and remain completely un-detected. By anyone.

Does she have Higher Durability Stats than Grundy?

Batman isn't here for a sparring session.

And yet she still gets wet in the rain.

With the OP removing CIS

(Blood Lust)

I see no reason to reason to continue the pretence Batman is not an assasin.

The Entire Roster of the League of Assasins did not spend years teaching Bruce Wayne How to bake cup cakes.

He isn't going to be fighting Grundy who has incredible burst speeds, but lacks the agility, and actual combat mechanics to really use them effectively.

It does not matter if Batman was there for a sparring lesson, or we replace his mind with Owlman's which is apparently what you are attempting to do. When was the last time that you saw Batman kill? The OP states blood lusted so he is trying to kill her... So Owlman it is. He loses.

Gamora is his physical superior. Are you trying to say that Batman is a class 70 or above? We know that he has the ability to exploit others that aren't actually on his level of skill in terms of combat mechanics. he does not have that luxury in this case. Comics are filled with Plot Induced Stupidity (PIS), and Character Induced Stupidity (CIS).

We never steer away from CIS unless it is specifically stated that CIS is turned off. Batman with two swords is still Batman the guy that does not cross the line and kill. PIS is something that does not hold weight on this particular forum. Why because for plot sakes, Batman has kicked the blood out of the Spectre's mouth. Do we believe that batman would actually defeat a character that could destroy the very city that he lives in, with him in it? No. At least anyone with common sense would say no.

What does his sneak skills have to do with this fight?

The OP never specifically states that CIS is off. If it were we would be talking about Owlman with the swords vs Gamora. Owlman would still be killed.

Originally posted by h1a8
Forum rules are not broken. He made a mistake in not using exacting words, but his intent was clear. Otherwise, why give batman weapons that kill when he will not use them? So the op creates a thread where batman throws down the weapons he created him to use for no reason?

Batman with Owlman's mind would still lose.