Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Counter question. Would Maul have let Sidious torture and kill say his brother Opress or his Mother Talzin? Or would he have intervened just like Vader did?
That's not the same because they are also evil as well, the reason Maul would help his mother and brother not because of the light side, because of the blood relativeness. For example, if Savage would turn to the light side and still refuses to turn to the dark side, so yes Maul would kill him for that betrayal.
Well, let's see.
If Sidious was torturing or killing Maul's people, Maul would attack him, but he'd attack with the Dark Side fully in place. After all, we saw Sidious take on the bros by himself. Maul certainly TRIED to give Sidious what for, but his eyes didn't change from yellow.
Now there's Dooku. If Sidious was torturing Yoda, or Qui Gonn, or whoever to death, I'm not sure he'd interfere at all. I'm not sure Dooku had anyone he really cared about it.
Anakin, however, was all about stopping people he loved from dying. That's why he joined the Dark Side in the first place. Sidious said, "Join the Dark Side, I'll save your wife." He was family first all the way, and was never anything different. So naturally, when you torture his son in front of him...well, Dark Lord Overboard.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Of all the people able to put a stop to Alderaan's destruction, Vader was in the best possible position. He had the authority within the Empire, the clout with the Emperor, the fear of his subordinates, the supernatural power, and the immediate proximity to Tarkin and the station's command center.And his only words regarding the planet's destruction were... silence. Silent consent, and not a thought afterward. That's Elsa-levels of cold-blooded right there. Tarkin's just as wicked for ordering it himself, but letting the guy go through with it when you're perfectly capable of stopping him--because you don't give a shit... that's f*cked.
At least Dooku's body count was spread out among multiple subordinates and scenarios that he was mostly absent for.
On the flip side, Vader didn't *stop* it. Dooku played an *active* role in initiating it, he took the position of flat out leader of one side of the conflict. And he's also experienced and worldly enough to know that that is actively what he was doing.
Not stopping something and being a primary architect are two different things.
Well Vader also knew what he was doing. Purposeful, personal butchery of children, and purposeful use of a planet-buster on a defenseless planet. He didn't give the order or pull the trigger, but being that okay with your colleague vaporizing a planet's worth of people is friggin evil. Remember, evil isn't just defined by what you do, but also by what you choose not to do.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Well Vader also knew what he was doing. Purposeful, personal butchery of children, and purposeful use of a planet-buster on a defenseless planet. He didn't give the order or pull the trigger, but being that okay with your colleague vaporizing a planet's worth of people is friggin evil. Remember, evil isn't just defined by what you do, but also by what you choose not to do.
Sure, it's evil, but it's still not as evil as initiating it. Were he there alone with no Tarkin, would he have had the idea to do so? Maybe, but then again, maybe not.
And, I'd bet the war would have a higher total casualty count anyway. Planets did get very trashed there (the Noghri planet was poisoned, for example).
Oh I wouldn't call Dooku not evil. But I view direct capability and culpability as more worthy of credit (evil or benevolence) than indirect handling or involvement.
Standing right next to the guys about to blow up a planet full of defenseless, innocent billions for the sake of sending a message, and being totally down with it, is f*cked up. To be fair, Tarkin and his commanders who said of their planet-buster "I say we use it!" are just as evil and cruel as Vader ever was. You don't need to be a Force user to be moral scum. Though having "personally stabbed a bunch of kids to death" on your resume puts you higher up on the Evil scale than anything else. I don't view that scale as a measurement of one's bodycount, but as an indication of one's mentality. Being totes cool with child murder is just... sickly evil. Something I don't think Dooku ever dabbled in.
Neither Dooku or Maul would've stopped Tarkin from blowing up Alderaan. Alderaan is kind of a wash. One might even consider that the destruction of Alderaan is just so in tune with Sith Philosophy that it's hard to find one, even in the EU, who would've stopped Tarkin.
While true Vader did more evil on screen then Maul or Dooku, that's because he's a central character. Besides, his redemption is more dramatic when you know this is a guy who murders children and chokes his own wife (The one he turned Dark to save in the first place...way to go, Vader...), and then tortures his daughter in the OT. Vader would easily take the #2 spot if it weren't for Padme insisting there is still good in him and his son pulling off a miracle redemption, which is what knocks his evil level down into the tank, far below that of his Sith Colleagues. He is still probably the most evil of the very, very small group of redeemed Sith. But redeemed Sith are still less evil then any Sith who wasn't.
Most of the details of Maul's evil deeds or Dooku's evil deeds is relegated to the EU. Maul was a Sith Assassin, so we know he probably killed people. That's kinda why they call it an Assassin. We know Dooku was the Seperatist general, and being a Sith, he probably ordered atrocities by the bucketload, but most aren't seen on screen.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
And which of the other Sith would've stopped Tarkin from doing that?
I can see Dooku arguing it out with Tarkin a little, trying to reason with some kind of logic, like "we don't even know if the Princess has given the right coordinates yet, and then we will lose all leverage on her.."
I dunno, I just see that being a bit too much even for Dooku and trying to logically object to it for a short while, but then giving in when Palpatine/Tarkin insisted.
Like he did try arguing with Sidious about not killing Ventress but then when the order was made clear, he did it. I know that was someone he was fond of, but like I said I just see a whole planet being too much even for him. But maybe that's just me.
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