Quicksilver vs Edward

Originally posted by wallman77
Best quote in this thread that everyone is ignoring. While QS MAY have some increased durability, there is no reason to believe he could easily put his fist through a concrete wall, let alone a greatly tougher twi vamp without it shattering. There is literally no proof that could be provided to show otherwise. Especially since no other speedsters..even those faster than DOFP QS showed such durability and fortitude. All of a sudden QS is a speeding tank? ..to the point of even being matched with guys like Supes. lol naw, he can run circles around edward but he aint denting him. As someone else stated the twi vamps were busting marble like it was cardboard. When I see QS going through walls then I'll believe it.

Yup. Speeding tank argument is spot on. Unless you're Superman, I know of no other movie speedster with super durability.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yup. Speeding tank argument is spot on. Unless you're Superman, I know of no other movie speedster with super durability.

What other people are forgeting is that he is fast enough to repeatedly push other lesser speedesters to their respective vulnerabilities. Ultimately leading to their demise.

If Quicksilver can overpower a bullets flight path with his fingers, perhaps that could be something for damage output?

Not saying he can harm Ed but..... yeah

No saying QS has enough damage output to hurt Edward, but he can definitely dish out A LOT more damage than a normal person. I can't believe I missed it, but his casual steps -did- indeed crater the walls of the room he was running against (he was kinda jogging at that point). Based on that he could quite probably put his foot through a normal person's chest if he actually tried. Still doesn't prove that he can hurt Ed though.

I'm calling stalemate until I see the next X-Men film (so for like a year and a bit). Heard rumors that he is going to have a much bigger role in that film, and that the director was going to try and show off new ways of how he can use his powers. So wouldn't be surprised if we see him running on water, amping his hits etc. in the next one.

Quicksilver can drop him in a volcano.

Originally posted by Placidity
Quicksilver can drop him in a volcano.

Actually, given the lack of OP stipulations, this is a valid point. 😆
QS might not be able to hurt Ed himself but dropping him into molten lava would.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
If Quicksilver can overpower a bullets flight path with his fingers, perhaps that could be something for damage output?

Not saying he can harm Ed but..... yeah

If you are moving something faster then something to the point of them standing still adjusting there direction seems legit however i don't know how thats considered damage output. What he did was redirection, not actually stopping them. The bullets still had velocity and once he slowed down they continued on their coarse. They still had to be stopped by something hard in the end.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yup. Speeding tank argument is spot on. Unless you're Superman, I know of no other movie speedster with super durability.

Only ones I can think of would be the gods from Immortals.

Originally posted by Robtard
QS has shown faster speed, at least more consistently and clearly

So Edward won't touch him, but QS probably won't be able to harm Edward enough with his own punches before his healing-factor heals him

Yup.

Edward can run pretty fast, apparently, in a straight line. QS seems to be able to run that fast or faster (probably far faster) in zig-zaggy lines, circles, walls, etc.

Edit - Why did this thread progress further than Robtard's post?

The durability required in QS's body to run that fast and perform those actions (while in "super-speed mode"😉 would give him astronomical durability AND strength. I probably won't do because it would take too much boring time but if someone could find QS's best "striking" feat, I could do the math on it and show how much force he can put out. It should be enough or far greater than anything we see Twivamps do. That's enough to harm a Twivamp as regular vamps can bust up Twivamp bodies in that universe.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yup.

Edward can run pretty fast, apparently, in a straight line. QS seems to be able to run that fast or faster (probably far faster) in zig-zaggy lines, circles, walls, etc.

Edit - Why did this thread progress further than Robtard's post?

The durability required in QS's body to run that fast and perform those actions (while in "super-speed mode"😉 would give him astronomical durability AND strength. I probably won't do because it would take too much boring time but if someone could find QS's best "striking" feat, I could do the math on it and show how much force he can put out. It should be enough or far greater than anything we see Twivamps do. That's enough to harm a Twivamp as regular vamps can bust up Twivamp bodies in that universe.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yup.

Edward can run pretty fast, apparently, in a straight line. QS seems to be able to run that fast or faster (probably far faster) in zig-zaggy lines, circles, walls, etc.

Edit - Why did this thread progress further than Robtard's post?

The durability required in QS's body to run that fast and perform those actions (while in "super-speed mode"😉 would give him astronomical durability AND strength. I probably won't do because it would take too much boring time but if someone could find QS's best "striking" feat, I could do the math on it and show how much force he can put out. It should be enough or far greater than anything we see Twivamps do. That's enough to harm a Twivamp as regular vamps can bust up Twivamp bodies in that universe.

If we were to take the "he's so fast that he needs super durability to withstand speed" argument then this should apply to all other speedsters out there. And yet, we know of no speedsters with super durability save Superman. Heck, Flash gets hurt by normal attacks... he just heals fast.

So while theoretically correct, I don't think we can just take it as fact when discussing superheroes simply because they have been proven to not have super durability.

Originally posted by FrothByte
If we were to take the "he's so fast that he needs super durability to withstand speed" argument then this should apply to all other speedsters out there. And yet, we know of no speedsters with super durability save Superman. Heck, Flash gets hurt by normal attacks... he just heals fast.

So while theoretically correct, I don't think we can just take it as fact when discussing superheroes simply because they have been proven to not have super durability.

I can't think of a speedster that has shown similar attributes while using their super speed.

QS may not have superhuman strength and durability while he is moving normally, but he was shown to have both while he was using his powers.

Yet Flash has been hurt by normal human punches while in Super speed as well as gotten hurt..the idea now that they all speeding bricks is pretty funny. If so, why are they not just running through walls of concrete, disregarding bullets, and saying to hell with all incoming damage. Clearly anyone who thinks they are all speeding bricks is ignoring showings. Smallville's Flash who is the fastest speedster on screen could still be hurt. Flash in some of the animated movies gets hurt just like everyone else when he gets hit. Hence why he try's not to get hit...the whole point of his powers. Be so fast he avoids the hits.

If anyone here can show QS feats of Clark's durability from Smallville, or Edwards durability besides the "he can run real fast, so he must have uber durability" please show it. Cause right now it's all talk.

Don't think you all get what Mindset is saying. Going right over your head. Please read his post again. Imagine this. Superman and Flash fighting. From what we've seen, while Flash is moving at super speed, he can toss Superman across blocks with just a push. Can he do the same while not moving super humanly fast? Moving at normal speeds? Think about it. Common sense.

Originally posted by carver9
Don't think you all get what Mindset is saying. Going right over your head. Please read his post again. Imagine this. Superman and Flash fighting. From what we've seen, while Flash is moving at super speed, he can toss Superman across blocks with just a push. Can he do the same while not moving super humanly fast? Moving at normal speeds? Think about it. Common sense.

And I agree now, show me Durability feats by QS.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
And I agree now, show me Durability feats by QS.

Now I'm confused, early in the thread you were saying that QS is indeed highly durable:

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I figured you would go that way of debate. Cept QS did much more damage faster then any other vamp in twilight, the old "his hand will hurt if he touches edward" wont work. It was apparent while in Superspeed that outside elements did not hurt him.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
He was re arranging bullets with ease. Those bullets after fired would be extremely hot yet it didn't bother him. Obviously his body is stronger then normal people for it to sustain that type of speed, case in point him having to brace Eriks head. Also him running through debree at that speed, he was un affected by, moving at that sort of speed a normal humans skin would peel off. His body is way above normal human durability.

Both realize they are hated in both their universes so they run away together and have strange but lovable sparkly fairy babies

Originally posted by Spawningpool
Both realize they are hated in both their universes so they run away together and have strange but lovable sparkly fairy babies

Originally posted by Mindset
QS is hated though.

Originally posted by Spawningpool
That's why Edward is meant for him