Quicksilver vs Edward

Originally posted by FrothByte
If we were to take the "he's so fast that he needs super durability to withstand speed" argument then this should apply to all other speedsters out there.

It pretty much does. 😐

Additionally, some speedster's ability to withstand these absurd forces comes from a magical force called the "Speed Force."

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Speed_Force

Until you provide evidence* that something very similar to the Speed Force exists in the film, you can't just make up magic and abilities that were not seen on screen (because that's against the MVF Golden Rule).

*It's unnecessary to do so as the Speed Force does not exist in the Marvel films or the Marvel Universe (616). Quicksilver's power is natural/comes from his mutant ability.

Originally posted by FrothByte
So while theoretically correct, I don't think we can just take it as fact when discussing superheroes simply because they have been proven to not have super durability.

Fortunately or unfortunately (depends on your perspective), you cannot dismiss character feats that were seen onscreen. Based on what was seen onscreen (and Quicksilver lacks the Speed Force), Quicksilver can withstand absurd forces on his body: we can't dismiss it just because we don't like it.

Here's what everyone needs to understand: any speedsters, besides those using things like the Speed Force (even then, there are exceptions to that), as a physics necessity, will ALWAYS have to have absurd amounts of durability and strength to be speedsters. Nobody can dismiss that just because they don't like the implications.

Also seems like QS's cognitive abilities would increase along with his durability when at speeds in order to be able to process his surroundings and react quickly enough

A few jabs from Quicksilver, even if he pulled his punches, would send Edward flying several blocks

Originally posted by Robtard
Also seems like QS's cognitive abilities would increase along with his durability when at speeds in order to be able to process his surroundings and react quickly enough

Yes, this, too.

Did anyone do a legit screen-shot analysis of QS's speed? I'd like to know what a ballpark is of his speed. Nemebro did a very very loose estimate and it made it seem like it was absurdly fast.

And at the speed he'd be going, Edward shouldn't even be able to brace himself.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yes, this, too.

Did anyone do a legit screen-shot analysis of QS's speed? I'd like to know what a ballpark is of his speed. Nemebro did a very very loose estimate and it made it seem like it was absurdly fast.

Some guy did a real in depth analysis a while back. I think it was posted here in the mvf right after the movie came out. He's fast.

Also he can accelerate molecules with vibration, so he could just get a good grip on Edward and shake him apart.

Originally posted by dadudemon
It pretty much does. 😐

Additionally, some speedster's ability to withstand these absurd forces comes from a magical force called the "Speed Force."

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Speed_Force

Until you provide evidence* that something very similar to the Speed Force exists in the film, you can't just make up magic and abilities that were not seen on screen (because that's against the MVF Golden Rule).

*It's unnecessary to do so as the Speed Force does not exist in the Marvel films or the Marvel Universe (616). Quicksilver's power is natural/comes from his mutant ability.

Fortunately or unfortunately (depends on your perspective), you cannot dismiss character feats that were seen onscreen. Based on what was seen onscreen (and Quicksilver lacks the Speed Force), Quicksilver can withstand absurd forces on his body: we can't dismiss it just because we don't like it.

Here's what everyone needs to understand: any speedsters, besides those using things like the Speed Force (even then, there are exceptions to that), as a physics necessity, will ALWAYS have to have absurd amounts of durability and strength to be speedsters. Nobody can dismiss that just because they don't like the implications.

What kind of punishment has QS shown to withstand? Has he even tanked any attacks directed at him to show he has this super durability that you keep claiming?

Yes feats count for more in MVF... and I have yet to see feats showcasing speedsters having this super durability that you keep implying. Name me some. Like you said, powers won't count unless you have feats to back them up. Show me QS tanking something that shows how he legitimately has super durability.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yes, this, too.

Did anyone do a legit screen-shot analysis of QS's speed? I'd like to know what a ballpark is of his speed. Nemebro did a very very loose estimate and it made it seem like it was absurdly fast.

Extremely fast, there's a 12-13 second scene (in the speed-scene) where he' standing still and messing with one of the guards.

Guess the simplest way to measure would be that he moved around and did lots of stuff for 2mins from his pov, while to everyone else only a second passed. But that's probably lowballing his speed.

Not Metro Man fast, but still ridiculously fast.

Originally posted by Robtard
Now I'm confused, early in the thread you were saying that QS is indeed highly durable:

I agree that he has durability, never denying this. I disagree that he has higher durability then people shown who have speed and actual durability against other super beings.

I disagree he has higher durability then Flash, based on Flash being astronomically faster then him, however Flash said himself to Clark he envys Clark because unlike Clark, Barry has to be worried all the time because if he closes his eyes, he can get hurt.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I disagree he has higher durability then Flash, based on Flash being astronomically faster then him, however Flash said himself to Clark he envys Clark because unlike Clark, Barry has to be worried all the time because if he closes his eyes, he can get hurt.

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And, also, Flash has the Speed Force which is just a magical plot device that protects him.

Originally posted by dadudemon
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And, also, Flash has the Speed Force which is just a magical plot device that protects him.

I just caught the fact i used the phrase "bases on" in a paragraph. Who ever said Quan was food for nothing has another thing commin🙂

Where is Quan?

Gone girl, gone.

Im curious do the people who think QS has durability worth mentioning, where are you placing it.

Above or below Captain America?

Not to mention, doesn't Edward have precog?

Edward has mind/thought-reading.

Originally posted by Placidity
Edward has mind/thought-reading.

Edward is an expert stalker too

He probably wouldn't even be able to figure out what's going on in Pietro's head with how fast his thoughts move.

He'd just need to tank it until he could get a lock.

Not to mention, with his speed, the gap isn't as wide as that between QS and normal humans.