Alan Scott Vs Beta Ray Bill

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's some ass backwards logic right there.

And how exactly do you figure that? You cant even quantify the feat its not like we know what force is on the earth when he does it. Lets say that the device created by the twomterrifics simply negated the gravity effect of the sun so that earth continued on its trajectory without the suns gravity to keep it in an orbit. Earth mass is estimated at 57,200,000,000,000,000,000,000,000kg. Due to the fact that E2 has four f%#ing big holes blown straght through its core probably quite a bit less for it. Its orbit speed is 30,000 m/s. The feat is nothing because he didnt carry or pull the weight against a force so there is no "weight". The only effort is in the impulse or change in momentum. You yourself confirm that it took him two issues so it was hardly quick. Impulse is change in velocity over time. If it it took him days to stop 30,000m/s than its anon feat. Tha fact that it took so long makes it less. Lets remember that for the planet to move at all when in the gravity well of a sun is against what gravity wants to happen (unless its moving toward the sun which it wasn't) the very forces of nature were against him.

As for E2 Supeman. He, WW, Batman, Supergirl and all Darksied's minions and parademons were bested by Terry sloane and a a few bombs and some prep. Pardon me if mm I'm not impressed when his clone beats up someheroes who've had their powers for only days and had at that point done almost nothing with them. They were all al, ost stomped by nu52 Grundy, Alan lucked a win and almost got himself killed doing it. What had Kalid done with the helmmof Nabu to that point?jow many times had Jay shown a totla lackmof confidence in b oth himself and his ability? Alan was so cocky he wentminnhalf assed and only did well duemto bravado etc, grundy almost had him dead. Foe more thannhalf the current run they have all been shown as nothing, GOD how I wish it weren't the case theremis no one who's a greater JSA fanboy than me and I jumpmto their defence on every forum everywhere but the nu52 has been far FAR from kind to earth 2 and the JSA

Let's compare fts.

Bill has punched a hole clean through Galactus with a blast.

Survived near/in a star that was going Nova.

Survived the pull of a Black Hole.

Withstood a planet exploding on him.

Crushed a planet using Stardust body as a hammer.

Do I need to continue? That one ft does not put Alan over Bill, let alone on his level. Bill wins this.

^Alan also survived the pull of the black hole, when he was saving earth.

That's why it's so impressive 🙂

Originally posted by krisblaze
Star masters had a different BRB, and he still stopped a black hole didn't he? And it certainly seemed like star masters had a different take on the power of black holes.

I'm not sure what instance you're referring to in annihilators. I might not have read it.

Bill doesn't have the powerset to duplicate Alan's feat, but I'm certain he has the raw power. I have no doubt that he'd be able to break through whatever Alan creates 🙂

And he teleported the black hole away. He couldn't stop the asteroid around it.

It happened off panel but he needed surfer help in moving a planet in issue 4.

I doubt it.

Originally posted by beatboks
And how exactly do you figure that? You cant even quantify the feat its not like we know what force is on the earth when he does it. Lets say that the device created by the twomterrifics simply negated the gravity effect of the sun so that earth continued on its trajectory without the suns gravity to keep it in an orbit. Earth mass is estimated at 57,200,000,000,000,000,000,000,000kg. Due to the fact that E2 has four f%#ing big holes blown straght through its core probably quite a bit less for it. Its orbit speed is 30,000 m/s. The feat is nothing because he didnt carry or pull the weight against a force so there is no "weight". The only effort is in the impulse or change in momentum. You yourself confirm that it took him two issues so it was hardly quick. Impulse is change in velocity over time. If it it took him days to stop 30,000m/s than its anon feat. Tha fact that it took so long makes it less. Lets remember that for the planet to move at all when in the gravity well of a sun is against what gravity wants to happen (unless its moving toward the sun which it wasn't) the very forces of nature were against him.

As for E2 Supeman. He, WW, Batman, Supergirl and all Darksied's minions and parademons were bested by Terry sloane and a a few bombs and some prep. Pardon me if mm I'm not impressed when his clone beats up someheroes who've had their powers for only days and had at that point done almost nothing with them. They were all al, ost stomped by nu52 Grundy, Alan lucked a win and almost got himself killed doing it. What had Kalid done with the helmmof Nabu to that point?jow many times had Jay shown a totla lackmof confidence in b oth himself and his ability? Alan was so cocky he wentminnhalf assed and only did well duemto bravado etc, grundy almost had him dead. Foe more thannhalf the current run they have all been shown as nothing, GOD how I wish it weren't the case theremis no one who's a greater JSA fanboy than me and I jumpmto their defence on every forum everywhere but the nu52 has been far FAR from kind to earth 2 and the JSA

Do you know how boom tunes work?

Originally posted by Galan007
a.) If you're going to post scans in this thread: [b]please post thumbnails, or don't post at all. I appreciate the effort, but full-size images are extremely annoying and require much more bandwidth to load.

b.) I had originally posted those scans here like 3+ years ago, but Imageshack took a shit, apparently. Here is the whole scene again(with thumbnails)...

Bill manifests a storm capable of blocking magical energies that were being emitted from a Black Sun:

Additionally, both Surfer AND Gladiator pay homage to Bill in the third scan...

Surfer: "Asgardian Fury. One of the few things in the universe that gives me pause."

Gladiator: "I know what you mean. In the service of Chandilar I've seen a thousand wars on a thousand worlds. Men like Beta-Ray serve to remind me how humble we should be in the face of this universe." [/B]

Originally posted by abhilegend
Do you know how boom tunes work?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Boom-Tunes-Portable-Speaker-Black/dp/B00CDRVHNM

Abhi, you don't know how motherboxes work you dumb mother****er.

Not even Morrison knows how they work.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That was before BRB was reborn by surfer IIRC.

And he teleported the black hole away. He couldn't stop the asteroid around it.

It happened off panel but he needed surfer help in moving a planet in issue 4.

I doubt it.

The black hole was a huge threat though, and it wasn't a stationary thing. It's not the same as keeping something from being pulled into the black hole.

How is Bill going to move a planet though? There's no way for him to move a planet without destroying it.

That's ridiculous. Bill's problem (and in part Thor's problem) is that he doesn't utilize the power within Stormbreaker enough. The mild portion that alan channels from the green is most assuredly less than the portion of the Odinforce that Bill taps into.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Boom-Tunes-Portable-Speaker-Black/dp/B00CDRVHNM

Originally posted by krisblaze
Abhi, you don't know how motherboxes work you dumb mother****er.

Not even Morrison knows how they work.

The black hole was a huge threat though, and it wasn't a stationary thing. It's not the same as keeping something from being pulled into the black hole.

How is Bill going to move a planet though? There's no way for him to move a planet without destroying it.

That's ridiculous. Bill's problem (and in part Thor's problem) is that he doesn't utilize the power within Stormbreaker enough. The mild portion that alan channels from the green is most assuredly less than the portion of the Odinforce that Bill taps into.

That's arbitrary enough as it is.

Originally posted by abhilegend
😂
That doesn't excuse his inability to stop the asteroid. Quasar was there, he could have asked for a harness Ala superman and Hal.

That's arbitrary enough as it is.

Given the status of most writers it's not reasonable to start attributing lack of creativity to a character.

It's well within Stormbreaker and Mjolnir's capabilities to accomplish things on that scale.

Fair enough, pointless comment on my end.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't know what you are talking about but on panel it was described as Alan holding the whole earth and stopping it from moving.

Do you know how boom tunes work?

If you mean boom tubes then yes I do. They creste dimensional rifts through soace.mits also stated that they alter the size of those who travel through them (its the reason why nrw gods wjo are giants o new genisis and apokalips are human size on earth and vice versa), in which case what does no longer has the same mass either. Congrats you just succeeded in making the fest less impressive. Know what they don't do? Exerta force on anything. With no force mass is meaningless (my point). In the absence of grsvity I could "lift" a hundred tons. In one sixth earths gravity humans can make super jumps, does that make a human on the moon as impressive as a suoer strength hero?

BRB actually has feats of note, Alan really doesn't by comparison.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Bill not asking Quasar to create a harness for him has nothing to do with him not having enough power.

Given the status of most writers it's not reasonable to start attributing lack of creativity to a character.

It's well within Stormbreaker and Mjolnir's capabilities to accomplish things on that scale.

Fair enough, pointless comment on my end.

Originally posted by beatboks
If you mean boom tubes then yes I do. They creste dimensional rifts through soace.mits also stated that they alter the size of those who travel through them (its the reason why nrw gods wjo are giants o new genisis and apokalips are human size on earth and vice versa), in which case what does no longer has the same mass either. Congrats you just succeeded in making the fest less impressive. Know what they don't do? Exerta force on anything. With no force mass is meaningless (my point). In the absence of grsvity I could "lift" a hundred tons. In one sixth earths gravity humans can make super jumps, does that make a human on the moon as impressive as a suoer strength hero?

BRB actually has feats of note, Alan really doesn't by comparison.

I was talking about sucking the planet in by force via a boom tube. Alan counteracts the force and stopped earth from moving.

There you go.

^We don't disagree as much as you think though.

Do you really feel like the odinforce doesn't go deep enough to keep the planet from being moved when a motherbox is trying to suck it in?

Originally posted by krisblaze
^We don't disagree as much as you think though.

Do you really feel like the odinforce doesn't go deep enough to keep the planet from being moved when a motherbox is trying to suck it in?

I dunno.

I've never seen the Energizer come close to absorbing anything even remotely close to the galaxy-spanning power of Mjolnir/Stormbreaker though...

Even so, it was an amped Kurse. No telling what kind of power it took to take him out. Hardly a testament to Mjolnir/Stormbreaker lacking power.

Seems more like you're lowballing out of your mind here :/

I don't see y brb couldn't move a planet when he's lifted asgard albeit with help. Planet pushing is really a thing in marvel.

Originally posted by krisblaze
I've never seen the Energizer come close to absorbing anything even remotely close to the galaxy-spanning power of Mjolnir/Stormbreaker though...

Even so, it was an amped Kurse. No telling what kind of power it took to take him out. Hardly a testament to Mjolnir/Stormbreaker lacking power.

Seems more like you're lowballing out of your mind here :/

Amped Kurse? And I doubt it took galaxy level power to ko him. And beyonder had to refill both hammers, they were totally empty.

I am recalling the only instance of both hammer being totally empty of power.

😬

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I don't see y brb couldn't move a planet when he's lifted asgard albeit with help. Planet pushing is really a thing in marvel.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Galaxy spanning? Wut? Where did you come with that?

Amped Kurse? And I doubt it took galaxy level power to ko him. And beyonder had to refill both hammers, they were totally empty.

I am recalling the only instance of both hammer being totally empty of power.

😬

The power of the hammers. Reigning suns, destroying planets, laying down skyfathers.

Amped Kurse questionmark? Did you forget about him being amped or something? You can doubt as much as you did, but that's what it took...

Okay, that's great. They've been fully drained before, but if that was the case then it sure as shit wouldn't be a low feat considering the other things they've accomplished.

So yeah, lowballing, per usual.

Originally posted by krisblaze
The power of the hammers. Reigning suns, destroying planets, laying down skyfathers.

Amped Kurse questionmark? Did you forget about him being amped or something? You can doubt as much as you did, but that's what it took...

Okay, that's great. They've been fully drained before, but if that was the case then it sure as shit wouldn't be a low feat considering the other things they've accomplished.

So yeah, lowballing, per usual.

It was Kurse as he appeared the most of the time. It wasn't him being amped. Considering he was killed by some trolls in Ragnarok off panel, I doubt it took galaxy level power to beat him.

Yeah sure. Whatever, I do think the hammer is powerful enough on its own to move planet. There you go.