If this battle included offensive Force techniques, then Vader might have a chance. Might.
If it's pure sabers, then Bane disassembles Vader's body in seconds.
Darth Bane's "raindrop"-feat demonstrated him blocking and dodging every raindrop from every angle in a violent storm for ten minutes.
The amount of dexterity, agility, timing, speed and endurance needed for that feat, are simply staggering.
Even Yoda would be hard-pressed to duplicate such a feat. (based on observed-appearances in battles, etc.)
Could Yoda do it? Probably.
But "probably" isn't good enough.
probably gets you killed.
Yoda is also a little guy, with almost no reach (important in any sword-duel) and he also telegraphs every attack he makes, when he leaps, and whose personalized-sword-style is only effective offensively.
(When he stops moving around, he's a sitting duck with no reach)
But Yoda is for another debate, I suppose.
Even Caedus would lose to Bane in a close sword-duel.
But Luke would trash-stomp Bane - he's the only person who is solidly faster than Bane. (based on feats)
But yeah, Vader in RotJ was slow and clumsy - and in TFU he was slightly better and more unpredictable - which however, makes no difference, when Bane can simply cut him to shreds before Vader is even aware of it.
Speed kills, and Bane is the wielder of it, here.
Bane wins.
Top Jedi/Sith Duelists: (Based on feats - not popularity contests)
1. Grandmaster Luke Skywalker
2. Darth Bane
3. Darth Caedus
4. Mace Windu
5. Yoda
6. Darth Sidious (DE or RotS - makes no difference)
7. Anakin Skywalker (Zonakin-variety)
(Everyone below these 7 are stacked-closely to each other in terms of feats and are more logically-subject to debate)
Suit-Vader doesn't have the feats to contend with any of the above 7 in a sword-duel.
Unless someone has proof to back up a claim that he could, in which case - display.
Originally posted by Lighter332
If this battle included offensive Force techniques, then Vader might have a chance. Might.If it's pure sabers, then Bane disassembles Vader's body in seconds.
Darth Bane's "raindrop"-feat demonstrated him blocking and dodging every raindrop from every angle in a violent storm for ten minutes.
The amount of dexterity, agility, timing, speed and endurance needed for that feat, are simply staggering.
Even Yoda would be hard-pressed to duplicate such a feat. (based on observed-appearances in battles, etc.)
Could Yoda do it? Probably.
But "probably" isn't good enough.
probably gets you killed.
Yoda is also a little guy, with almost no reach (important in any sword-duel) and he also telegraphs every attack he makes, when he leaps, and whose personalized-sword-style is only effective offensively.
(When he stops moving around, he's a sitting duck with no reach)
But Yoda is for another debate, I suppose.
Even Caedus would lose to Bane in a [b]close
sword-duel.But Luke would trash-stomp Bane - he's the only person who is solidly faster than Bane. (based on feats)
But yeah, Vader in RotJ was slow and clumsy - and in TFU he was slightly better and more unpredictable - which however, makes no difference, when Bane can simply cut him to shreds before Vader is even aware of it.
Speed kills, and Bane is the wielder of it, here.
Bane wins. [/B]
dude great points, agreed 👆
^ Well it's nice you've got Dooku as a definite.
Originally posted by Marco1907
Lmfao to Bane being second duelist in all time.
Marco I've been through your Maul respect thread. Nice job, there's a few things in there I completely forgot about, and a few things I never even noticed.
Still you have a habit of quoting some half truths (or even No truths) as evidences to favor Maul. For example you've completely misrepresented Filoni's comments on the Maul/Pre-Vizsla fight calling it an "act".
Anyone who listens to that interview can clearly tell he's talking about it being "a whole act" of that episode. As in it was such a long fight he had to get right.
I suggest you delete/correct that part right away. As I've explained to you before, if you want people to take your Maul arguments seriously you have to use proper evidences and keep your arguments to a higher standard.
As for duelists list, Dooku is very subjective in my point of view, I mean he is too elegant for my taste, I would always prefer a wild Juyo style like Sidious, Windu, Maul, Savage etc. Or even Djem-So, not saying that Dooku should be inferior here, I am just saying that Dooku should be a subjective choice.