DBZ stats?

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Moar special pleading, still doesn't change the fact that fictional showings won't be completely consistent, and being harmed by a bullet once does not contradict every other durability feat in the series ever
But yeah, you either take the same logic in fiction, or you don't take said logic at all, otherwise you look like a complete hypcrite
And DBZ characters survive attacks from eachother, and they bust up mountains physically and kick eachother through islands, causing massive craters in the process
It genuinely sickens me to see people who fail to see that there are different levels of planet busting
Planets come in different sizes and have varying GBE levels
"I'll take a single low end showing and act like that invalidates everything else which is way above it"
Unfortunately for you, vs debating doesn't work that way

Originally posted by TheTyrant
So basically kid Goku can run at ftl for a short period of time yet adult Goku couldn't reach that speed or anything close to it at all despite trying his best to cross Snake Way as soon as possible? They had light speed to faster-than-light reflexes in beginning of part 2 but in terms of movement or "blitzing," they didn't get to that level until Perfect Cell and full power SSJ Goku.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
outside of teleporting, what FTL moment are you talking about?

If you want to go higher, Whis flew across billions of light years in like 20 something minutes.

Whis appeared to be teleporting as he is never really seen flying anywhere.

IT is teleporting

Blast speed is wildly inconsistent and honestly isn't equal to flight speed anyway.

Originally posted by pym-ftw Whis appeared to be teleporting as he is never really seen flying anywhere.

IT is teleporting

Blast speed is wildly inconsistent and honestly isn't equal to flight speed anyway.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
So you applying durability feats which are not the character in question is how we should determine durability? Derp

Yeah, because this would be the first time an entire series is scaled to a few, or in many cases, a single fe... oh wait

I don't think you understand what a hypocrite means... Or you don't understand a single writer of a story is beyond reproach.

And you don't seem to understand that fictions are inconsistent and that low ends exist in fiction regardless of the fiction

Your "durr same writer so there are no low end showings" non sequiter is just that, a non sequiter and that's all it's ever going to be

So you admit your talking out your ass on a planet buster being > than another planet buster with no evidence.

You're an idiot. The amount of energy required to bust a planet varies depending on the GBE and size of said planet

For example, Krillin in the late Saiyan Saga would be in the low end zettaton range, whereas the Death Star superlaser from Star Wars was calced in the quintuple digit yottatons, Buu's Death Ball was calced in the septuple digit yottaton range, all three are planet busters, but they're on different orders of magnitude

Debating theory is literally all vs debates are... Unless you are Akira Toriyama in which case why are you downplaying events you wrote bro?

Point is, vs debating works by taking the most impressive feat of any character and assuming it to be an accurate portrayal of their abilites, ignoring the presence of outliers of course

...krillin is a planet buster

GG Troll
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Well if BoSS Piccolo can bust the moon so violently that he'd be in the zettaton range, and Krillin was more powerful than Raditz who kicked Goku and Piccolo, then yeah

To say nothing of him through later stages of the series, should be more powerful than Freiza by the end of the series but not sure

Nice appeal to incredulity though

Mathwank pls go.

Also Even Goku in his base form isn't as powerful as Frieza was by the time of BoG, so Krillin certainly isn't.

So it's "wank" if you don't like it? Okay

What is this, SpaceBattles?

It's Kmc where feats > baseless speculation.

And blowing up a planet with an incredibly large explosion is a far better feat than blowing up a planet with the bare minimum explosion. 👆

I also assumed it was a place where wank is used in proper context, not as a catchphrase alternate for "that violates my preconceptions so It doesn't count", aka, what SpaceBattles do when a character/verse is more powerful than they think it should be

But yeah other than that, yeah I don't see any speculation

Originally posted by StealthRanger
So it's "wank" if you don't like it? Okay

What is this, SpaceBattles?

You need to stop pretending nerd debates are standardized. There is no council that sets rules, no one who decides which canon material is admissible, and which canon material is not. There is no union.

Originally posted by NemeBro
And blowing up a planet with an incredibly large explosion is a far better feat than blowing up a planet with the bare minimum explosion. 👆

Are you still mad at me?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
It's wank when you start (mis)applying numbers to things authors have no conception of, and basing entire debates on who has the biggest and most mathematically stretched outlier, like say, they do at OBD.

You need to stop pretending nerd debates are standardized. There is no council that sets rules, no one who decides which canon material is admissible, and which canon material is not. There is no union.

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I've said this before, "debaters" on these sites think more like mathematicians than writers, and thus, they rely on improper methods that ignore who a character really is to draw their conclusions. I'm sure we can all name a time when "who's fastuh/stronguh/toughuh" became the only discussed point in a thread.

Say what you will about DEATH BATTLE, who's been admittedly wrong a number of times (something I've attested to myself), they at least try harder than most I've seen (here or otherwise) to reasonably justify their verdict with something other than some selective ("ultimate"😉 measurement exaggerated by mathematical rhetoric.

...Death Battle is embarrassingly poor at research

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
It's wank when you start (mis)applying numbers to things authors have no conception of,

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You need to stop pretending nerd debates are standardized. There is no council that sets rules, no one who decides which canon material is admissible, and which canon material is not. There is no union.

Ahh anarchy.

There's no such thing as split dura, energy is energy