It's not that Bane's rain thing isn't impressive...it's that practically any Jedi or Sith worth his salt could do that too.
The speeds given for all these guys on the OBD website are
Speed: Relativistic+; lightspeed reactions augmented by precognition
Dodging raindrops is something anyone could do at that level.
Originally posted by Angelalex242I've disproved a few of those feats, to be honest.
It's not that Bane's rain thing isn't impressive...it's that practically any Jedi or Sith worth his salt could do that too.The speeds given for all these guys on the OBD website are
Speed: Relativistic+; lightspeed reactions augmented by precognitionDodging raindrops is something anyone could do at that level.
Like Luke's vaunted nanosecond "feat", which is IIRC where that number comes from (he wasn't actually able to do anything in that time frame). Same with Obi-Wan's blaster deflecting feat in the ROTS novelization (had cover, calc assumed a consistent blaster speed and was using blaster bolts from far larger weapons than hand blasters as their speed).
Similarly, I could point out trash Jedi Masters like Jai Maruk having mach 30ish reaction-time feats (reacting to and redirecting an explosion with the Force) in Darth Rendezvous. I can also point out very powerful Sith like Count Dooku being kidnapped by pirates.
They use only the highest showings they can find (or invent) for Star Wars (and other series) and tout them as their general showings, despite the numerous other showings that contradict them.
Seriously, stop using a web site created by fans in the formation of your own silly, arbitrary tier list.
The OBD thinks Bane can destroy Continents and that ritual he was doing with the Sith was going to wipe out the surface of the whole planet. Now don't get me wrong, there are Planet level Sith/Jedi in SW, but under unique circumstances. Like Planet level at the top, then Starship levels, Building levels, etc. Oh, if you guys wanna see their thread:
http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=1019461&page=6
I have nothing against OBD BTW.
Might as well post their other Tier list...and it looks just a little bit different then the one I posted by moon/continent/etc.
God Tier
Bedlam Spirits (Tilotny
Horliss-Horliss
Cold Danda Sine
Splendid Ap),
The Ones/The Celestials (The Father (Prime)
Abeloth (The Mother)
Fanged God (The Son)
Winged Goddess (The Daughter)
World Raizer
Top Tier
Jedi
Luke Skywalker (EU)
Yoda
Revan (Peak)
Mace Windu
Sith
Darth Sidious (Palpatine)
Sith Emperor (Lord Vitiate)
Exar Kun
Darth Caedus (Jacen Solo)
Darth Plagueis (Hego Damask)
High Tier
Jedi
Hero of Tython
Nomi Sunrider
Thon
Luke Skywalker (RoTJ)
Anakin Skywalker (RoTS)
Starkiller (Galen Marek)
Jedi Exile (Meetra Surik)
Cade Skywalker
Jaina Solo
Mara Jade
Barsen'thor
Depa Billaba
Kyle Katarn
Satele Shan
Obi-Wan-Kenobi (RoTS-AHN): ANH Kenobi could still fight vader
Kao Cen Darach
Sith
Darth Nihilus
Mother Talzin
Marka Ragnos
Tulak Hord
Ulic Qel Droma
Darth Tenebrous (Rugess Nome)
Darth Bane (Dessel)
Darth Zannah (Rain)
Darth Vader (Anakin Skywalker)
Lumiya (Shira Elan Colla Brie)
Darth Tyranus (Count Dooku)
Kar Vastor
Darth Malgus (Veradun)
Kallig (Darth Nox,
Aloysius Kallig)
Emperor’s Wrath (Lord Scourge,
The Sith Warrior)
The First Son (Syo Bakarn)
Darth Jadus
Darth Nyriss
Darth Traya (Kreia)
Darth Malak (Alex Squint)
Darth Krayt (A'Sharad Hett)
Ajunta Pall
Karness Muur
XoXaan
Remulus Drepya
Sorzus Syn
Freedon Nadd
Naga Sadow
Ludo Kressh
Lord Kaan
The Dark Council
The Dread Masters
Mid Tier
Jedi
top
Sora Bulq
Ven Zallow
Shaak Ti (RoTS - TFU)
Kit Fisto
Plo Koon
Eeth Koth
Bastilia Shan
The Dark Woman (An’ya Kuro)
middle
Obi-Wan-Kenobi (TPM - AoTC)
Anakin Skywalker (AoTC)
Luke Skywalker (ESB)
Qui-Gon-Jinn
Kento Marek (Rogue Jedi)
Cin Drallig
Agen Kolar
Saesee Tiin
Quinlan Vos
Luminara Unduli
Ki adi Mundi
Adi Gallia
Pong Krell
Barriss Offee
Kazdan Paratus
Rahm Kota
Ahsoka Tano (end of TCW)
bottom
Ahsoka Tano (early TCW)
Aalya Secura
Sith
top
Darth Maul
Darth Sion
Vindican
Darth Wyyrlok
Darth Annendu
Darth Bandon
Asajj Ventress
Savage Opress
Darth Talon
middle
Xanatos
Adrass
Vemrin
Tremel and other Sith Overseers
bottom
Aurra Sing
Marris Brood
Non Force Users
top
General Grievous
middle
Durge
Mandalore the Indomidable
Mandalore the Ultimate
Boba Fett
Pre Vizsla
Jango Fett
bottom
IG-88
HK-47
Cad Bane
Low Tier
Low Tier - Jedi
top
Run of The Mill JedI
Low Tier - Sith
top
Run of the Mill Sith
Low Tier - Non Force Users
top
Rancor
MagnaGuards
Droideka
Jace Malcolm
Captain Rex
Commander Cody
Han Solo
Nico Okarr
Chewbacca
Hondo
Thrawn
middle
Stronger Races (Wampa,
Wookie)
Military Troopers (Mandalorians
Republic Troopers
Clone Troopers
Rebel Alliance
Imperial Forces/Stormtroopers)
Stronger Droids (Commando Droid,
Super Battle Droid)
bottom
Weaker Races (Gungan
Ewok
Jawa)
Weaker Droids (Battle Droid
R2-Units
Buzz Droids
Protocol Droid)
Sup?
I'm bored and where I tend to post is kind of... dead?
Figured I'd procrastinate some here for a bit because, why not?
At the very least, it can't be all that bad if one of the dudes here knows how to make decent enough respect threads :maybe
Originally posted by NemeBro
They use only the highest showings they can find (or invent) for Star Wars (and other series) and tout them as their general showings, despite the numerous other showings that contradict them.
I feel like I know you
Were you one of those dudes wearing a MLP set? If so, I vaguely remember your name from around the time I started posting :hmm
What would you call "general showings"? Because if you're talking about statistical median/mode (average technically wouldn't work if you think about it, add all the various yields and speeds together then divide that by the number of given feats in a franchise, you'll probably end up with a number never observed anywhere)? I'd pay you good money to show me a forum that actually does that, and does it well.
You're preaching to the choir talking about how inconsistent fiction is though. I hold no illusion that as a hobby this should even work. Too subjective. Its only through communally agreed upon precedents that you can even try emulating objectivity in crossover fights (in-universe are somewhat easier, but still rely upon the author giving some concrete idea of powerscale like DB did... most series don't though)
Originally posted by The Merchant
The OBD thinks Bane can destroy Continents and that ritual he was doing with the Sith was going to wipe out the surface of the whole planet. Now don't get me wrong, there are Planet level Sith/Jedi in SW, but under unique circumstances. Like Planet level at the top, then Starship levels, Building levels, etc. Oh, if you guys wanna see their thread:I have nothing against OBD BTW.
We're told by multiple sources that the surface was razed (admittedly, the most concrete one I found I forgot to screen cap, given where I post, the issue isn't one. I forget where it was now though). No particular visual exists that contradicts the notion either to my limited knowledge too.
As for Bane himself? Not really telling you how to approach this hobby.
How I understand it
The ritual has poorly espoused upon prep, though I didn't read anything in the narration or see visuals in the comic that indicate it utilized power amplifying objects. Without that, we don't assume they have them to start with.
The ritual's generally intended to stuff their combined power into one vessel so that the vessel can fire it all off at once. We're told that much IIRC.
Their aren't too many Sith their to start with, Bane counts among the strongest barring Kaan. What I got as a yield just stands as the average energy someone needed to contribute.
I'm not even a fan of the result, his best feat is otherwise causing some 20 meter crater IIRC. I just kind of smile and nod given how inconsistent fiction in general is though.
I'd say ask the author about the finer details, but...
Thanks for the e-mail; it's always good to hear from someone who is obviously a fan of my work. I'll be honest - the kind of exact details you are looking for aren't things I really worry about. It's literally been years since I wrote the novels, so I don't really know exactly what I was thinking at the time - usually I just write what feels right to my gut then make sure it doesn't contradict any existing source material.There's a reason this is vague: I don't want to say exact numbers or info because that will usually get someone at Lucas (now Disney) to ask you to change it because it might contradict/conflict with other stuff. So I learned to stay less specific and leave things open to reader interpretation, because then nobody can accuse you of being wrong. I'm sorry this isn't the answer you were looking for, but it's the best I can do.
Drew
And whether you have something against us or not doesn't matter. This is a stupid hobby we just so happen to find fun. Taking it seriously is painful.
Originally posted by The Merchant
I do disagree with several things, like Thon being continent level because he forced the energies of the Dark-side into a lake that covered an entire planet.
You're forgetting the part where that energy kind of razed the surface of Ambria
Hence why sealing it is impressive in the first place
Whether you agree with the idea its a consistent portrayal of power for Thon, that's a crap shoot
Don't misrepresent the variables though