Originally posted by Damborgson
Thor held off Superman, Martian Manhunter, and Wonderwoman at different points in that fight. It was pretty impressive. The Avengers would have gotten absolutely wrecked otherwise (and they would have still, had the fight gone on probably)
Yeah, I noticed that. He tanked that punch from both Martian and Superman. Superman heat vision during their last fight did play it's part because you can tell by the speech bubble that it was affecting him but overall, it was a good fight. Wonder why Thor didn't press his attack when he hit Superman through that wall because it did hurt him.
He slammed manhunter with lightning a bit later too.
After Superman was hit, the JLA rushed in so he was focused on them. Superman wasn't in the silhouette of the charge either.
The fight is what it is I guess, Thor lost. Given the extent of their abilities used, it's not much of a surprise. Thor decided to use a club instead of a weapon that would have ripped the energy that powers Superman right out out through his eyes when the beam hit him. /shrug what can you do?
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
No it is't, your opinion mine differs, deal with it.From my memory, i don't have access to my comics right now.
Thor throws Mjolnir at superman with an announcement, Supes fails to dodge it, is slammed into a building where we see his foot hanging out, which indicates he is out for the moment, the fights starts, we see supes again, shaking off the dizzines, an easy to finish target, the fight starts, we don't see his shadow, so he still needs time to focus, next issue he teams up with ww or mm to engage Thor...Thor vs Superman, we see both being hit by the fist of the other with both showing the same reaction to the hit, not the hammer. Superman uses his speed to dodge an attack of Thor. Before Kal catched the Hammerblow, Thor walked all the way through the full continuous blast of Superman, he tanked it to the chest. To think this kind of punishment from an energy attack as powerful as Supes HV, stated to be hotter than the sun, blasting through imperiex probes etc, without being weakened by ist is mind boggling.
Thor was bold, proud and a bit stupid in this fight, his strike that was palmed was for sure not his best, Superman won an all out fight, all powers, it wasn't a pure strength contest and another round could and would end different. This is what happened. You can disagree as much as you want but it was clear they are about even. But to each one his own opinion 😉.
Great post.
Originally posted by Reflassshh
And Supes didn't fight at full speed neither, it's called CIS.It was a good fight regardless of who won.
No, It's called PIS. "Hm...I know he's strong, and he's just blasted me in the chest. And it really hurts. As soon as I run through it, I'm gonna give him such a pounding!" Superman, even though he wasn't moving at nano second speeds most likely, did use super speed. Of the abilities that both have to offer, Thor was nothing but a brick. Superman at least intelligently used his basics, flight, speed, heat vision, and there's nothing more that can be asked of him. So when I say that Thor didn't use his abilities, it's because he didn't use them. It's not like anyone was expecting Thor to suck Superman's soul out, just lift your hammer.
And I mean I know why, it's what writers do when they don't know how to disable Thor. And other heavy weights of course, but most don't have a hammer that can almost literally do anything.
A fight that lasts what, 4 singles pages, between the arguably most powerful heroes in their respective universes, cannot be considered "good". And if you mean it in the sense that it was challenging for both, that should have been a warm up. After that exchange is when the fireworks should have started.
Furthermore, either can defeat the other at any time. It's how the loss occurred that is what most bothers me. Even though of course I would have liked a solid victory for Thor, I could have more easily accepted a loss that didn't involve Thor being treated like a chump, when he relied solely on physical stats /shrug.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, I am wasting my time trying to educate you.
Concession accepted.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That strength which was struggling to contain some part of a moon. Why don't you post "one" implication of planetary "strength" in that comic?
Originally posted by abhilegend
I can. Can you though?
Originally posted by abhilegend
That he was in a severely weakened state due to loss of mjolnir.
Originally posted by abhilegend
And he is going toe to toe with lady Thor just some time after that. That is weakened state too, right?
Originally posted by abhilegend
You are taking narration blindly again when its not that reliable coming from a character. It was H'el who said he was exerting mountain level punches. You are as ignorant as always. It was always in a different time-space phase than normal earth.
And a big lol 😂 at your scan. What new smokescreen are you bringing up this time? The phukkin scan states it's located by the earth's core(which I was correct about) and that it's slightly out of phase. Abhi, it's still physically connected to earth's dimension. Why do you think she felt the punches as well as both Clark and Kara freely entering and exiting the Block. Don't tell me you are insinuating that Clark punched H'el so hard it traveled dimensions just to highball the feat? OMFG! You are! Pathetic.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Are you always this dumb?
Originally posted by abhilegendWhat you're doing is basically claiming the dragon was exhibiting more than planet benching strength during it's scenes with Superman. Do you know how idiotic that is? Me adding the fact it was destroyed by an oil rig explosion further paints a picture of what the dragon is capable of. Remember it was not incinerated. It died from the force of the oil rig explosion. So it was still pretty effin durable. Superman briefly KO'd its main head with a "mountain toppling" punch early in the fight. So now you're telling everyone here it was exhibiting strength that is far exceeding of benching earth weight? Once again very foolish line of thinking.
Yeah, it had low durability. Why are you taking its durability when we are talking about strength? It isn't. But that's the double standard here. You are using its durability as its strength benchmark.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Flowery narration such as Aaron's? Sure.
Originally posted by abhilegend
You cursing me for pointing out that Thor struggled on panel to pull a part of moon (never said it was a mountain) wouldn't change what's on panel. Your tears are delicious though.
Originally posted by abhilegendThis coming from a guy who's used q and a's even less prominent to back his claims in previous threads. You should seriously rethink your question.
Yeah, you are. Posting random scans and random interviews.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Absolutely false. I can post a hundred scans of mjolnir greatly amping Thor's striking power..
Originally posted by abhilegend
Who the **** said that? I'm only disputing it being a strength feat, when its clearly not. You can shout as much as you want, but its never going to be a strength feat. To expose your laughable agenda, that is why..
Originally posted by abhilegend
You are welcome to quantify it. I'll wait..
So let's take Mjolnir. You say that when Mjolnir is used, it is automatically not a strength feat since it aids him in striking. One of the most faulty lines of thinking.
For one, Thor still has to use tremendous strength when swinging or throwing Mjolnir to achieve more devastating results. I mean it's simple logic that the harder you throw or swing something, the larger the force one can produce even in Mjolnir's case.
To make the most relevant comparisons, let's take some of the more powerful blows Thor has produced when collateral damage is involved.
With an amped Thunderstrike they, destroy every window within the immediate vicinity, make every building shudder in a 5 block radius, and cause seismographs to spike, hundreds of miles away.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img547/5851/thunderstrike2322.jpg
Strikes Monolith with enough force it shatters skyscraper windows throughout lower Manhattan while knocking him into New York Harbor.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir93a-StrikingPowerMarvelT.jpg
From Manhattan, Thor strikes the dragon Fafnir so hard the force of the blow is felt as far away as Pennsylvania.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir119-StrikingPower.jpg
Donning his belt of strength and calling upon all his "godly strength", his blow on Exitar's shell produce shockwaves that turn nearby mountaintops to rubble and the "entire planet is rocked by brutal reverberations".
Now what's the only thing dynamic about these scans? What could possibly cause the different results in these feats? I'll give you a hint, it's not Mjolnir.
Now lets go back to Thor indirectly shattering worlds in God of Thunder.
Unless Mjolnir was so impossibly, so incredibly amped during godbomb, the only thing we can seriously say was different in display was Thor's MUTHAPHUKKIN PLANETARY ++ STRENGTH!!
Now quit your corny@$$ lowballing of the first kind and eat crow! Accept it and deal with it! Only then will you be at peace my brotha.
In the end it's a high-end feat and Thor would not smack everything and everyone with planet shattering strength.
Originally posted by abhilegend
It was done from beginning of time to end of time as clearly stated. Every god in the universe prayed to him at once and it powered him up.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Wow. The tears are finally out. "Waah, waah, Thor died a little after that. Why you don't recognize it?"
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, he was merely grabiing him and then Thor lifted him. You don't know much about fighting styles, do you?
Hulk has a grip on his shoulder and neck area. You want us to believe that Hulk let go and allowed himself to be lifted? I mean wow!
@Damborgson: Thor almost always relies on his physical stats, that's why he jobs so often. Then again most HH's suffer from this too.
Both fought in character and yes, it was a good fight in the sense that it wasn't one-sided. Another point I'd like to adress is about the speed they were fighting at, there's no hint at them using super speed at all.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbeIt's still wrong. You can shout "my opinion" all you want, it wouldn't make any difference.
No it is't, your opinion mine differs, deal with it.
I advice, go read it again. Because it's pretty explicitly stated that superman was up and fighting "one moment later". [/quote]From my memory, i don't have access to my comics right now.
Thor throws Mjolnir at superman with an announcement, Supes fails to dodge it, is slammed into a building where we see his foot hanging out, which indicates he is out for the moment, the fights starts, we see supes again, shaking off the dizzines, an easy to finish target, the fight starts, we don't see his shadow, so he still needs time to focus, next issue he teams up with ww or mm to engage Thor...
Kurt outright said that it didn't weaken him. So your point is moot anyway. Also we directly see superman getting hit by lightning and sharing through the jungle just before the HV attack.
Thor vs Superman, we see both being hit by the fist of the other with both showing the same reaction to the hit, not the hammer. Superman uses his speed to dodge an attack of Thor. Before Kal catched the Hammerblow, Thor walked all the way through the full continuous blast of Superman, he tanked it to the chest. To think this kind of punishment from an energy attack as powerful as Supes HV, stated to be hotter than the sun, blasting through imperiex probes etc, without being weakened by ist is mind boggling.
Haha, that's some real gibberish there. "It wasn't Thor's best". That's ****ing stupid when even the writer said it was an all out Thor and Thor shat his pants when superman caught it.
Thor was bold, proud and a bit stupid in this fight, his strike that was palmed was for sure not his best, Superman won an all out fight, all powers, it wasn't a pure strength contest and another round could and would end different.
This is what happened. You can disagree as much as you want but it was clear they are about even. But to each one his own opinion 😉.Yeah, you would do everything to justify your delusional theories and call it "my opinion".
Get out with all this nonsense. The writer said superman was stronger. You think you know better than busiek?
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
[B]Against wasting time when cornered.
Spouting gibberish now? Good.
It's obvious you are either oblivious to the concept, or choosing to be because you have no more footing to stand on.
"No you"? Is that all you got now?
Haha, what? How the **** know did he went to severely weakened to full power against lady Thor in just a matter of time? Are you really this stupid?Again what do you not understand "severely weakened state"? The stupidity of your stance knows no bounds. With your stance, you are claiming Thor is always "severely weakened" when not with Mjolnir. Pretty idiotic don't you think? Read it again and you'll realize what Aaron is trying to convey what Thor's mindset was along with expending energy for weeks straight to pull the darned hammer from the moon's surface. I swear like talking to a 3 yr old. Have to hold your hand through everything...
So dunno? Hahaha.Dunno. We'll see how it plays out. What you brought up was the frost giants restraining him. The same book where it was stated he was in a "severely weakened state". Nothing more, nothing less.
I suggest you break from eating paint chips and actually read the comic. It was pretty clearly H'el narrating the whole issue. [/quote]
Wtf? Narration stated it was mountain level punches. H'el never said that. During his attack on H'el, Veritas also added "He's not holding back. Power level is exceeding what I previous recorded". Clark's punches were felt from the fortress to the core and into the upper atmosphere. Sad that even in a Superman book, you need to be corrected.
Hahaha, "I'm gonna just ignore the scan and present my own theory". You are ****ing pathetic when you can't even accept that you were proven wrong that the lab was not in earth core but out of phase with it.And a big lol 😂 at your scan. What new smokescreen are you bringing up this time? The phukkin scan states it's located by the earth's core(which I was correct about) and that it's slightly out of phase. Abhi, it's still physically connected to earth's dimension. Why do you think she felt the punches as well as both Clark and Kara freely entering and exiting the Block. Don't tell me you are insinuating that Clark punched H'el so hard it traveled dimensions just to highball the feat? OMFG! You are! Pathetic.
A very long way of "I don't accept it, so it never happened". What part of durability=/=strength you have trouble comprehending?You should read above and ask yourself that.
What you're doing is basically claiming the dragon was exhibiting more than planet benching strength during it's scenes with Superman. Do you know how idiotic that is? Me adding the fact it was destroyed by an oil rig explosion further paints a picture of what the dragon is capable of. Remember it was not incinerated. It died from the force of the oil rig explosion. So it was still pretty effin durable. Superman briefly KO'd its main head with a "mountain toppling" punch early in the fight. So now you're telling everyone here it was exhibiting strength that is far exceeding of benching earth weight? Once again very foolish line of thinking.
I see you've got nothing here. Concession accepted here. Then again we shouldn't be surprised considering you just ignored on-panel narration in a Superman book no less.
Haha, this is pure gold. Go on quanchi Jr.
Repeating it again wouldn't be are it a strength feat. Good luck with your agenda with that route.No one is cursing you out. I'm just correcting your mistakes. Bottom line is he prevented the world from further tearing up. If it was simple as just pushing a small part of it then he would not have stopped mid-fight to push the tear back together. To diminish what he did there reeks of butthurttery. Pretty clear on writer intent since he took the time to save it even while in the middle of a hellacious struggle with Gorr.
Again with the dumb route? World shattering scenes=/=world shattering strength you desperate idiot.This coming from a guy who's used q and a's even less prominent to back his claims in previous threads. You should seriously rethink your question.
An interview from the phukkin author who is sharing further background information on the arc in question is not random. Also it's from Marvel.com no less... 🙁
So you accept it's not a strength feat. Good.Of course it amps striking power. It's a nigh indestructible hammer. Post them. Be my guest.
Back with a his dumb attitude? It's unknown what part of it was his own strength and what part mjolnir played. That's why it's not a strength feat.
Of course it is. He was pouring everything into those hammer shots. We even have narration describing how his muscles are tearing as he swings Mjolnir harder and harder.
So random scans throwing around now when you're left with no choice? Pathetic.Let's play your game. Remember, you did this to yourself.
So let's take Mjolnir. You say that when Mjolnir is used, it is automatically not a strength feat since it aids him in striking. One of the most faulty lines of thinking.
For one, Thor still has to use tremendous strength when swinging or throwing Mjolnir to achieve more devastating results. I mean it's simple logic that the harder you throw or swing something, the larger the force one can produce even in Mjolnir's case.To make the most relevant comparisons, let's take some of the more powerful blows Thor has produced when collateral damage is involved.
With an amped Thunderstrike they, destroy every window within the immediate vicinity, make every building shudder in a 5 block radius, and cause seismographs to spike, hundreds of miles away.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img547/5851/thunderstrike2322.jpgStrikes Monolith with enough force it shatters skyscraper windows throughout lower Manhattan while knocking him into New York Harbor.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir93a-StrikingPowerMarvelT.jpgFrom Manhattan, Thor strikes the dragon Fafnir so hard the force of the blow is felt as far away as Pennsylvania.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir119-StrikingPower.jpgDonning his belt of strength and calling upon all his "godly strength", his blow on Exitar's shell produce shockwaves that turn nearby mountaintops to rubble and the "entire planet is rocked by brutal reverberations".
Haha, this is just sad. Throwing random scans to no value and declaring yourself winner? It's like talking to Carver and Quan at once.Now what's the only thing dynamic about these scans? What could possibly cause the different results in these feats? I'll give you a hint, it's not Mjolnir.
Now lets go back to Thor indirectly shattering worlds in God of Thunder.
Unless Mjolnir was so impossibly, so incredibly amped during godbomb, the only thing we can seriously say was different in display was Thor's MUTHAPHUKKIN PLANETARY ++ STRENGTH!!
You done crying now? Because that was a big tantrum.
Now quit your corny@$$ lowballing of the first kind and eat crow! Accept it and deal with it! Only then will you be at peace my brotha.
I recommend glasses if you can't even read such a simple scan.In the end it's a high-end feat and Thor would not smack everything and everyone with planet shattering strength.
Reading incomprehension here again. What in the heck are you talking about beginning of time? That time statement was in reference to every god that were dying "all through time".
That it is not a durability feat at all if all he did was endure a little longer.Recognize what. I'm not denying that fact. He died some time after he was able to absorb the entirety of the explosion ling enough to save the day. What is there to lowball in this feat?facepalm [/B]
Abhi, what are you hoping to accomplish here?
Originally posted by Damborgson
Thor held off Superman, Martian Manhunter, and Wonderwoman at different points in that fight. It was pretty impressive. The Avengers would have gotten absolutely wrecked otherwise (and they would have still, had the fight gone on probably)
It's not admissable here.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Wow. You have the most mind boggling interpretation of scans. Like ever.....Hulk has a grip on his shoulder and neck area. You want us to believe that Hulk let go and allowed himself to be lifted? I mean wow!
Hulk grabbed Thor, mocking him. Thor reversed the hold and threw hulk away. That scene in no way suggests that Thor was stronger than merged hulk especially under PAD who has made it pretty clear that merged hulk was stronger than Thor.
Keep dreaming though.
