Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
DCnU Darkseid is already Universal, as Anti-Monitor needs Universes to fight him. Also FC was already referred in the DCnU, in Batman comics for example. Convergence will further clarify everything.
Proof that Antimonitor is taking on Darkseid alone instead of Darkseid, his minions, and his planet? Scans please. What strength fts does DCNU Darkseid have?
Originally posted by carver9
Proof that Antimonitor is taking on Darkseid alone instead of Darkseid, his minions, and his planet? Scans please. What strength fts does DCNU Darkseid have?
Darkseids minions are not that powerful and far below Darkseid. I already told you that Darkseid is above the Trans tier, where strength is not relevant as those beings can amp to anything, like Zeus or LT, trying to place a strength cap is pointless and feats not necessary. We are still discussing Heralds here.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Darkseids minions are not that powerful and far below Darkseid. I already told you that Darkseid is above the Trans tier, where strength is not relevant as those beings can amp to anything, like Zeus or LT, trying to place a strength cap is pointless and feats not necessary. We are still discussing Heralds here.
Gotcha. So if I post a scan of Hulk nearly overpowering an Abstract, would that mean something to you?
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
DCnU Darkseid is already Universal, as Anti-Monitor needs Universes to fight him. Also FC was already referred in the DCnU, in Batman comics for example. Convergence will further clarify everything.
I get all that, but thats not what im arguing. Wait when was DCnU darkseid universal? Anti-monitor devoured the energy of universes, but that doesnt mean it did it to fight darkseid. I know about FC being canon, alongside everything throughout DC's history, but my belief is that those are seperate multiverses. I believe that the pre-flashpoint multiverse and the pre-crisis multiverse are their own multiverse with its own darkseids, that would prevent any contradictions with the new 52's retcons.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
If he overpowers the Abstract, not nearly but decisively, then yes, and if the Abstract is not divided or weakened because he is in more than one place.
What if I show you this same Abstract controlling an IG user AND the Phoenix Force along with fraying the threads of reality. Would that be enough?
Originally posted by celeyhyga17Yeah, I am wasting my time trying to educate you.
Waste of time... Smh....
facepalmConcession accepted.
Yes he used Mjolnir along with unprecedented "planetary" strength. 😉That strength which was struggling to contain some part of a moon. Why don't you post "one" implication of planetary "strength" in that comic?
No one is making excuses here. I'm pretty sure you understand regular portrayals, averages, and high end feats. Everyone can see through your play dumb routine here.I can. Can you though?
What do you not understand about "severely weakened state"? You are worse than explaining to a 3 yr old. You come with the most ridiculous reasoning when cornered.That he was in a severely weakened state due to loss of mjolnir.
And? That scan was from the new Thor #1. Same comic where Malekith cuts a part of his arm with Jarnbjorn. What is your point?And he is going toe to toe with lady Thor just some time after that. That is weakened state too, right?
No one is calling it a bad showing. Benching virtual earth weight is far and away more impressive than mountain toppling punches(by a country mile).You are taking narration blindly again when its not that reliable coming from a character.
And it was Veritas and not H'el who stated that he was exceeding previous strength levels.It was H'el who said he was exerting mountain level punches.
Also the punches came from his fortress which were felt at her lab located at the center of the earth.You are as ignorant as always. It was always in a different time-space phase than normal earth.
Sometimes I don't know whether you're playing dumb, or putting up smokescreens. Either way it's your usual go to move when you are cornered.Are you always this dumb?
Double standard? First off it was decaying. Second he destroyed it by blowing up an phukkun oil rig.Yeah, it had low durability. Why are you taking its durability when we are talking about strength?
You're telling , me it's H'el level? That's a no. And again it wasn't a "low showing". It's still a mile long Kryptonian dragon. But like his mountain toppling punches vs H'el, it is so considerably far below what he displayed while benching earth weight devoid of sunlight.It isn't. But that's the double standard here. You are using its durability as its strength benchmark.
Wow this is hilarious. 😂Flowery narration such as Aaron's? Sure.
So character statements now outweigh clear, on-panel narration. Do you even hear yourself here? Smh..
And like I said, you dismissing that scene simply as pushing a mountain is laughable. The point in him even breaking off from the fight was because the planet was in danger of pretty much tearing up. You are the worst.You cursing me for pointing out that Thor struggled on panel to pull a part of moon (never said it was a mountain) wouldn't change what's on panel. Your tears are delicious though.
We all know who's desperate here.Yeah, you are. Posting random scans and random interviews.
What I've been saying all along. Mjolnir doesn't wreck things by itself. Thor's strength supplies much of the wrecking.Absolutely false. I can post a hundred scans of mjolnir greatly amping Thor's striking power.
No. Feats done with Mjolnir is not feats done by Mjolnir. And no one is disputing the fact that he smacked Gorr around with Mjolnir resulting into worlds shattering around them. It's clear what you are trying to portray here. You are attributing the worlds shattering solely because of Mjolnir in the hopes of diminishing the strength he displayed.Who the **** said that? I'm only disputing it being a strength feat, when its clearly not. You can shout as much as you want, but its never going to be a strength feat.
And for what? The ramifications of such strength displayed is too much butthurt for you?To expose your laughable agenda, that is why.
And still it is a feat that required incredible strength. Also read above.You are welcome to quantify it. I'll wait.
Wow. My god the butchery of this scene is mind boggling. How you got to this conclusion is beyond me. First, there wasn't even a clear time frame of when the gods started praying to him. Second he seemed to be in incredible pain throughout the ordeal, from start to finish. Lastly where on panel was it stated that the prayers aided him?It was done from beginning of time to end of time as clearly stated. Every god in the universe prayed to him at once and it powered him up.
Pathetic. This doesn't even deserve a proper reply.Wow. The tears are finally out. "Waah, waah, Thor died a little after that. Why you don't recognize it?"
Originally posted by celeyhyga17Yes, he was merely grabiing him and then Thor lifted him.
Right. Just ignore the panel where Hulk is over Thor and has him by the shoulder and throat.
So now Hulk just stood there and let Thor pick him up to be tossed? Mind boggling.You don't know much about fighting styles, do you?facepalm
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbeAnd its ****ing wrong bro. Deal with it.Your opinion, bro, mine differs.
Thor oneshot Superman before this and temporality koed him with a Mjolnir throw,That never happened. Superman was up and punching thor in the face "one moment later" as narration described it."
and in the fight Supes was on the ground when he palmed it, the fight, till then was pretty even and neither looked superior.Haha, get out. Thor was using a ****ing hammer and Superman was using his fists.
One had to win, Superman did, the next bout might have a differen't outcome, as implied by Thor and thus the writers themselves.That was Thor's ego talking. What actually happened is Kurt Busiek outright said that Superman was stronger. You don't catch the strongest blow of your opponent with a hammer and be a peer. How can this be even a debating point is mind boggling.
You might disagree, but to each his own.I don't just disagree. I tell you your opinion is wrong.
Superman IS stronger than Thor. Deal with it. Even thorbags admit it.
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Lol. Who the phuck do you think you are that you can dictate others opinions?
Originally posted by Silent Master
I like how he is all for using the writers words when it helps his argument, but ignores it otherwise...as Kurt has also stated that the fight was close and that further fights could have gone the other way.
Originally posted by abhilegend
And its ****ing wrong bro. Deal with it. That never happened. Superman was up and punching thor in the face "one moment later" as narration described it." Haha, get out. Thor was using a ****ing hammer and Superman was using his fists. That was Thor's ego talking. What actually happened is Kurt Busiek outright said that Superman was stronger. You don't catch the strongest blow of your opponent with a hammer and be a peer. How can this be even a debating point is mind boggling.I don't just disagree. I tell you your opinion is wrong.
Superman IS stronger than Thor. Deal with it. Even thorbags admit it.
No it is't, your opinion mine differs, deal with it.
From my memory, i don't have access to my comics right now.
Thor throws Mjolnir at superman with an announcement, Supes fails to dodge it, is slammed into a building where we see his foot hanging out, which indicates he is out for the moment, the fights starts, we see supes again, shaking off the dizzines, an easy to finish target, the fight starts, we don't see his shadow, so he still needs time to focus, next issue he teams up with ww or mm to engage Thor...
Thor vs Superman, we see both being hit by the fist of the other with both showing the same reaction to the hit, not the hammer. Superman uses his speed to dodge an attack of Thor. Before Kal catched the Hammerblow, Thor walked all the way through the full continuous blast of Superman, he tanked it to the chest. To think this kind of punishment from an energy attack as powerful as Supes HV, stated to be hotter than the sun, blasting through imperiex probes etc, without being weakened by ist is mind boggling.
Thor was bold, proud and a bit stupid in this fight, his strike that was palmed was for sure not his best, Superman won an all out fight, all powers, it wasn't a pure strength contest and another round could and would end different. This is what happened. You can disagree as much as you want but it was clear they are about even. But to each one his own opinion 😉.
Don't think Superman was koed during this fight. Not once. Stunned and felt it, of course, but koed, never happened. I do agree with Thor feeling the heat vision though. Here is the fight and look at Thor words. It's pretty even and I'm sure it would've lasted longer if the writer had the time he needed but Superman showed more physical power imo. A tier above, naah, but he was stronger. Thor even mentions his strength.
