Colonial Marines versus Mobile Infantry, round three

Started by RJ 2.06 pages
Originally posted by Robtard
Dropships have mini nukes now?

http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/UD-4L_Cheyenne_Dropship

Weaponry

Two main weapons bays fold out on extended pylons to deploy weapon hardpoints each capable of carrying 16x150mm unguided rockets, 6x7mm unguided rockets and 4x120mm guided rockets. Two secondary weapon bays on the port side and starboard side of the fuselarge house a further 14 hardpoints for ATA and ATS missiles. The dropship mounts a dedicated 25mm gatling gun in a powered cupola beneath the nose, which can be rotated 180 degrees side to side and by an angle of 60 degrees downwards.

The GAU-113/B is a six barrel weapon driven by a pneumatic motor turned by the engines at 6000 rpm and geared down to the rear of the gun. Rounds are caseless, and do not carry their own propellant. Instead, the GAU-113/B system uses hypergolic liquid fuels, stored and loaded separately, as a binary propellant. When fed into the chamber via the spray nozzles, they react simultaneously to explode and propel the shell.

Ammunition comprises a mix of Armour Piercing Incendiary (API), Armour Piercing Discarding Sabot (APDS) and High Explosive Incendiary (HEI) and is fed from a 900-round drum beneath the cockpit. It is standard practice to carry at least two spare ammo drums on board. These can be reloaded manually by a crew member from inside the cockpit.
MissilesEdit

AGM-204A TSAM: The TSAM (Threat Suppression Attack Missile) is a low-cost self-protection weapon designed to defend strikeships and dropships against airborne missiles, early warning radars, SAM sites and AAA. Small, short ranged and lightweight, the TSAM design trades off the loiter mode of most modern Threat Suppression Missiles for speed, in order to eliminate a threat rapidly. The Tekell solid motor is a high impulse unit that will accelerate the missile to hyper velocity in less than two seconds; after burnout, the missile coasts to the target. Range varies considerably with launch speed and altitude, though practical limits in an Earth-density atmosphere are 20 km at sea-level up to 60 km at high altitude. The TSAM is guided but cannot be fired at. It is designed to attack incoming missiles. It locks on automatically.

AGM-220C Hellhound II: The Hellhound II is a multi-role tactical missile designed for use against point targets such as vehicles, armor, buildings and bunkers. Based around a greatly enlarged version of the Hellhound I airframe, the missile employs a three-stage motor consisting of a launch boost engine, and in flight sustained motor and a third-stage booster designed to accelerate the weapon during its terminal attack phase. The weapon can be launched in two different modes: in the first, the dropship Weapons Officer locks the missile's seeker onto a target before launch and provided he maintains the lock until the moment of launch the weapon will then be guided to that target; in the second, the weapon is directed to a grid reference where it then commences a search for a pre-designated target, or one selected from an internal menu of potential targets, or for a target of opportunity. The dual-seeker system combines a high-resolution millimeter-wave radar and infrared imager linked to a sophisticated 12 Mb processor which determines the missile's optimal attack profile and warhead fusing to ensure a kill. The 'C' variant of the AGM-220 incorporates a new, jam-resistant radar and improved countermeasures refection logic to bring it in line with the 'F' version employed by the USASF. This is a guided weapon.

Mk. 16 150mm BANSHEE 70: The Banshee 70 system constitutes one of the most important unguided weapons in US service. In the Colonial Marines, it is most commonly associated with the LAU-190/A 16-tube launcher mounted on the UD-4L Cheyenne dropship. Each rocket is spin stabilized by a fluted exhaust nozzle and has three spring-mounted wrap-around fins at the rear. The Mk. 16 model has a high-impulse rocket motor, giving a burnout velocity in excess of 1800 m per second, providing excellent stand-off range and accuracy in the air-to-surface role.

AIM-90E Headlock: The AIM-90E is a short-ranged air-to-air missile optimized for dogfight engagements. Guided by a dual optical/active radar seeker, the Headlock missile accelerates to hyper velocity speeds after launch and then glides the remaining distance to the target. The warhead consists of thirty four explosive darts that are released by the missile as it approaches the target. To ensure a kill, the AIM-90's unique fusing system directs these flechettes into an optimum attack pattern upon release, dependent on the target's current aspect. The 'E' variant of the missile incorporates changes to the countermeasures software and enlarged aerodynamic surfaces to improve lift at high altitudes.

Mk.10 70mm ZEUS: The Mk.10 ZEUS is a 70mm unguided rocket system that has been the mainstay of USCM service for some sixty years, in its various forms. A small, spin-stabilized rocket, the ZEUS is now supplied with only two types of warhead: a smart fused antipersonnel fragmenting warhead and a smoke warhead for laying particulate smoke screens.

Mk.88 120mm SGW: The Mk.88 is a 120mm, short ranged (under 1500m) weapon designed as a low-cost alternative to the Hellhound versus light armor and prepared positions such as hangars or gun emplacements. A simple weapon, it comprises a rocket with a low-impulse motor steered by fold-out fins. Guidance is by an imaging infra-red seeker in the nose, and a 2.2kg shaped-charge warhead is positioned just behind. The SGW is a fire-and-forget weapon - once locked-up by the dropship, the missile self-guides to the target.

She drove it mostly straight and at moderate speeds. APCs are junk; any military-combat vehicle that can't take a little abuse is useless.

http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/M577_Armored_Personnel_Carrier

The M577's chasis is made of bonded titanium and incorporates a 5 cm foam-packed floor cavity to protect against forged-fragmentation mines. Ground clearance is normally only 22 cm, but the vehicle employs a hydro-pneumatic, fully active suspension to allow a clean ride over rough terrain. The suspension is capable of boosting clearance by a full 30 cm and allows the M577 to comfortably tackle vertical obstacles up to 0.5 m. The hull is made from welded light alloys and is latched and bonded (rather than welded) to the chassis in order to prevent fatigue and failure from piezo-electric effects associated with an alloy-titanium interface. The inside of the hull is lined with boron carbide ceramic tiles, each of which has been coated with a polymer resin to prevent cracks or shattering during normal travel; this resin is 2 mm thick on the outward-facing surface of the tile and is said to provide limited ablative protection against pulsed lasers. The tiles are backed with a thick layer of woven fire resistant polymer armour to limit spalling in the event of a hull penetration. Because of weight restrictions, the armour is very light. It is capable of defeating fragmentation, small arms rounds and low-velocity armour penetrating ammunition such as rifle grenades; however its ability to stop dedicated tank-killing weaponry is light.

Defensive systems

The slab-sided shape of the APC hull provides for a high radar cross-section on the battlefield. An attempt has been made to reduce this by incorporating radar absorbent materials into the hull skinning, with only partial success. Hull paints are laser absorbent to protect against lidar, and the M577 boasts an infrared camouflage feature in which cooling elements are arranged in patches and stripes beneath the skin to break up the IR signature of the vehicle.

Active defenses for the APC consists of a chaff/ flare decoy dispenser mounted to the rear of the vehicle, and a fire control jammer capable of spoofing millimeter-wave tracking radars (available power for this system is limited). The decoy dispenser, which is supplied by a multi-cartridge rotar feed is capable of releasing particulate smoke as a barrier against ranging or pulsed lasers. These defenses are automatically deployed if activated by the driver or section commander.

Structure

Because of the USCM requirement that the vehicle's combat weight be kept below 15,000 kg, the M577's components were designed to be as lightweight as possible. The chassis chosen for the prototype was based on that of the M570 family of wheeled vehicles which, in the late sixties, was being developed for use in a variety of roles, mainly as a prime mover and mortar platform. The APC is built around a 4 x 4 wheeled layout, powered by a 286 kW multi-fuel gas turbine engine which generates a power-to-weight ratio in the region of 19.7 kW/kN. Although the wheeled configuration does not give as rugged a cross country performance as a tracked vehicle, it does offer considerable savings in terms of weight penalties and reliability. Each of the massive 159 cm diameter wheels receives power independently from the engine via a fully automatic, electronically-controlled transmission system. The tires are armoured against small-arms and splinter, and their pressure is controlled by a central regulation system. This allows the driver to reduce the vehicle's ground pressure over soft terrain by deflating the tires, whilst still being able to re-inflate them for road travel. The M577 has a top speed of approximately 150 km/h.
Armor

The M577's chasis is made of bonded titanium and incorporates a 5 cm foam-packed floor cavity to protect against forged-fragmentation mines. Ground clearance is normally only 22 cm, but the vehicle employs a hydro-pneumatic, fully active suspension to allow a clean ride over rough terrain. The suspension is capable of boosting clearance by a full 30 cm and allows the M577 to comfortably tackle vertical obstacles up to 0.5 m. The hull is made from welded light alloys and is latched and bonded (rather than welded) to the chassis in order to prevent fatigue and failure from piezo-electric effects associated with an alloy-titanium interface. The inside of the hull is lined with boron carbide ceramic tiles, each of which has been coated with a polymer resin to prevent cracks or shattering during normal travel; this resin is 2 mm thick on the outward-facing surface of the tile and is said to provide limited ablative protection against pulsed lasers. The tiles are backed with a thick layer of woven fire resistant polymer armour to limit spalling in the event of a hull penetration. Because of weight restrictions, the armour is very light. It is capable of defeating fragmentation, small arms rounds and low-velocity armour penetrating ammunition such as rifle grenades; however its ability to stop dedicated tank-killing weaponry is light.

Defensive systems

The slab-sided shape of the APC hull provides for a high radar cross-section on the battlefield. An attempt has been made to reduce this by incorporating radar absorbent materials into the hull skinning, with only partial success. Hull paints are laser absorbent to protect against lidar, and the M577 boasts an infrared camouflage feature in which cooling elements are arranged in patches and stripes beneath the skin to break up the IR signature of the vehicle.

Active defenses for the APC consists of a chaff/ flare decoy dispenser mounted to the rear of the vehicle, and a fire control jammer capable of spoofing millimeter-wave tracking radars (available power for this system is limited). The decoy dispenser, which is supplied by a multi-cartridge rotar feed is capable of releasing particulate smoke as a barrier against ranging or pulsed lasers. These defenses are automatically deployed if activated by the driver or section commander.
Weaponry

The M577 carries a formidable array of weaponry in support of its infantry complement. It can either carry one of two front weapon alternatives both housed in a hull mounted cupola covering the APC's forward area.

RE RE700: The first alternatives are two synchronized Republic Electric RE700 20mm gattling cannons. The Republic Electric RE700 20mm gattling cannon is supplied by a 1700-round multi-feed ammunition dispenser which offers a selection of HEAP (High Explosive Armour Piercing) and 'Beehive'-type APF (Anti-Personnel Fletchette) rounds at the flick of a switch. These caseless rounds carry no propellant and are fed mechanically into the revolving chambers which are then sprayed with hydrogolic binary propellants which ignite and launch the round . Binary propellant systems are rare at this calibre (the only other such system in Colonial Marine service is the 25mm GAU/113 aboard the UD-4 dropship), but aboard the M577 this system offers substantial weight, rate-of-fire and reliability advantages over a standard caseless weapon and provides effective anti-personnel support for the APC. The only drawback of the weapon is that it is mounted to cover only the vehicle's forward arc, traversing between 60 degrees left and right of axis, and cannot be fired from a hull-down position. The second weapon option mounts a twin laser cannon, which has a very high rate of fire and is an extremely effective anti-personnel weapon.

Boyars PARS-150: The power source for the Boyars is a 6 mW hydrogen fuel cell capable of powering 3000 firing before refueling. The fuel cell drives a homopolar fast-discharge generator which stores power until it has sufficient energy to charge the plasma gun’s laser. When the laser is fired, it creates an ionized trail in the atmosphere which is charged by the gun’s electromagnetic coil to form a solenoid mass – is fed mechanically into the tunnel, where it is vaporized by the laser beam into a superheated plasma. Which is accelerated by the magnetic coil to velocities in the region of 5 000 m/s. The plasma travels the tunnel until it impacts the target at a focussed point, using its considerable kinetic and thermal energy for maximum effect penetration. Because of the power usage, both guns in a turret fire in sequence rather than simultaneously.

The M577 also houses an automatic light mortar, which is mounted on the roof of the vehicle and is generally used against opponents in good defensive positions. There are 32 rounds for the weapon stored in the APC. The M577's main weapon system is turret mounted (see below for different weapon variations), allowing the APC to fire from the safety of a hull-down position. The turret assembly is fully traversable, self-contained (including ammunition and power supply) and is carried on a rail track which runs down the rear of the vehicle.

Geared electric motors run the turret along the track and allow it to be depressed to the APC's rear, increasing the vehicle's headroom so that it may be carried inside a shuttle or dropship payload bay. The weapons are stabilized within the turret for firing while on the move and can be elevated and depressed between +85 and -7 degrees. Hydraulic rams on either side of the turret can tilt it up to 15 degrees in all axis to provide additional elevation or maintain a level firing platform for the weapons. Target acquisition and weapons control are controlled by the section commander from the Tactical Operations Centre; however, independent targeting automation systems (or manual targeting control) can handle these functions so reducing the commander's workload.

She drove it mostly straight and at moderate speeds. APCs are junk; any military-combat vehicle that can't take a little abuse is useless.

http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/M577_Armored_Personnel_Carrier


The M577's chasis is made of bonded titanium and incorporates a 5 cm foam-packed floor cavity to protect against forged-fragmentation mines. Ground clearance is normally only 22 cm, but the vehicle employs a hydro-pneumatic, fully active suspension to allow a clean ride over rough terrain. The suspension is capable of boosting clearance by a full 30 cm and allows the M577 to comfortably tackle vertical obstacles up to 0.5 m. The hull is made from welded light alloys and is latched and bonded (rather than welded) to the chassis in order to prevent fatigue and failure from piezo-electric effects associated with an alloy-titanium interface. The inside of the hull is lined with boron carbide ceramic tiles, each of which has been coated with a polymer resin to prevent cracks or shattering during normal travel; this resin is 2 mm thick on the outward-facing surface of the tile and is said to provide limited ablative protection against pulsed lasers. The tiles are backed with a thick layer of woven fire resistant polymer armour to limit spalling in the event of a hull penetration. Because of weight restrictions, the armour is very light. It is capable of defeating fragmentation, small arms rounds and low-velocity armour penetrating ammunition such as rifle grenades; however its ability to stop dedicated tank-killing weaponry is light.

Defensive systems

The slab-sided shape of the APC hull provides for a high radar cross-section on the battlefield. An attempt has been made to reduce this by incorporating radar absorbent materials into the hull skinning, with only partial success. Hull paints are laser absorbent to protect against lidar, and the M577 boasts an infrared camouflage feature in which cooling elements are arranged in patches and stripes beneath the skin to break up the IR signature of the vehicle.

Active defenses for the APC consists of a chaff/ flare decoy dispenser mounted to the rear of the vehicle, and a fire control jammer capable of spoofing millimeter-wave tracking radars (available power for this system is limited). The decoy dispenser, which is supplied by a multi-cartridge rotar feed is capable of releasing particulate smoke as a barrier against ranging or pulsed lasers. These defenses are automatically deployed if activated by the driver or section commander.

Structure

Because of the USCM requirement that the vehicle's combat weight be kept below 15,000 kg, the M577's components were designed to be as lightweight as possible. The chassis chosen for the prototype was based on that of the M570 family of wheeled vehicles which, in the late sixties, was being developed for use in a variety of roles, mainly as a prime mover and mortar platform. The APC is built around a 4 x 4 wheeled layout, powered by a 286 kW multi-fuel gas turbine engine which generates a power-to-weight ratio in the region of 19.7 kW/kN. Although the wheeled configuration does not give as rugged a cross country performance as a tracked vehicle, it does offer considerable savings in terms of weight penalties and reliability. Each of the massive 159 cm diameter wheels receives power independently from the engine via a fully automatic, electronically-controlled transmission system. The tires are armoured against small-arms and splinter, and their pressure is controlled by a central regulation system. This allows the driver to reduce the vehicle's ground pressure over soft terrain by deflating the tires, whilst still being able to re-inflate them for road travel. The M577 has a top speed of approximately 150 km/h.
Armor

The M577's chasis is made of bonded titanium and incorporates a 5 cm foam-packed floor cavity to protect against forged-fragmentation mines. Ground clearance is normally only 22 cm, but the vehicle employs a hydro-pneumatic, fully active suspension to allow a clean ride over rough terrain. The suspension is capable of boosting clearance by a full 30 cm and allows the M577 to comfortably tackle vertical obstacles up to 0.5 m. The hull is made from welded light alloys and is latched and bonded (rather than welded) to the chassis in order to prevent fatigue and failure from piezo-electric effects associated with an alloy-titanium interface. The inside of the hull is lined with boron carbide ceramic tiles, each of which has been coated with a polymer resin to prevent cracks or shattering during normal travel; this resin is 2 mm thick on the outward-facing surface of the tile and is said to provide limited ablative protection against pulsed lasers. The tiles are backed with a thick layer of woven fire resistant polymer armour to limit spalling in the event of a hull penetration. Because of weight restrictions, the armour is very light. It is capable of defeating fragmentation, small arms rounds and low-velocity armour penetrating ammunition such as rifle grenades; however its ability to stop dedicated tank-killing weaponry is light.

Defensive systems

The slab-sided shape of the APC hull provides for a high radar cross-section on the battlefield. An attempt has been made to reduce this by incorporating radar absorbent materials into the hull skinning, with only partial success. Hull paints are laser absorbent to protect against lidar, and the M577 boasts an infrared camouflage feature in which cooling elements are arranged in patches and stripes beneath the skin to break up the IR signature of the vehicle.

Active defenses for the APC consists of a chaff/ flare decoy dispenser mounted to the rear of the vehicle, and a fire control jammer capable of spoofing millimeter-wave tracking radars (available power for this system is limited). The decoy dispenser, which is supplied by a multi-cartridge rotar feed is capable of releasing particulate smoke as a barrier against ranging or pulsed lasers. These defenses are automatically deployed if activated by the driver or section commander.

Weaponry

The M577 carries a formidable array of weaponry in support of its infantry complement. It can either carry one of two front weapon alternatives both housed in a hull mounted cupola covering the APC's forward area.

RE RE700: The first alternatives are two synchronized Republic Electric RE700 20mm gattling cannons. The Republic Electric RE700 20mm gattling cannon is supplied by a 1700-round multi-feed ammunition dispenser which offers a selection of HEAP (High Explosive Armour Piercing) and 'Beehive'-type APF (Anti-Personnel Fletchette) rounds at the flick of a switch. These caseless rounds carry no propellant and are fed mechanically into the revolving chambers which are then sprayed with hydrogolic binary propellants which ignite and launch the round . Binary propellant systems are rare at this calibre (the only other such system in Colonial Marine service is the 25mm GAU/113 aboard the UD-4 dropship), but aboard the M577 this system offers substantial weight, rate-of-fire and reliability advantages over a standard caseless weapon and provides effective anti-personnel support for the APC. The only drawback of the weapon is that it is mounted to cover only the vehicle's forward arc, traversing between 60 degrees left and right of axis, and cannot be fired from a hull-down position. The second weapon option mounts a twin laser cannon, which has a very high rate of fire and is an extremely effective anti-personnel weapon.

Boyars PARS-150: The power source for the Boyars is a 6 mW hydrogen fuel cell capable of powering 3000 firing before refueling. The fuel cell drives a homopolar fast-discharge generator which stores power until it has sufficient energy to charge the plasma gun’s laser. When the laser is fired, it creates an ionized trail in the atmosphere which is charged by the gun’s electromagnetic coil to form a solenoid mass – is fed mechanically into the tunnel, where it is vaporized by the laser beam into a superheated plasma. Which is accelerated by the magnetic coil to velocities in the region of 5 000 m/s. The plasma travels the tunnel until it impacts the target at a focussed point, using its considerable kinetic and thermal energy for maximum effect penetration. Because of the power usage, both guns in a turret fire in sequence rather than simultaneously.

The M577 also houses an automatic light mortar, which is mounted on the roof of the vehicle and is generally used against opponents in good defensive positions. There are 32 rounds for the weapon stored in the APC. The M577's main weapon system is turret mounted (see below for different weapon variations), allowing the APC to fire from the safety of a hull-down position. The turret assembly is fully traversable, self-contained (including ammunition and power supply) and is carried on a rail track which runs down the rear of the vehicle.

Geared electric motors run the turret along the track and allow it to be depressed to the APC's rear, increasing the vehicle's headroom so that it may be carried inside a shuttle or dropship payload bay. The weapons are stabilized within the turret for firing while on the move and can be elevated and depressed between +85 and -7 degrees. Hydraulic rams on either side of the turret can tilt it up to 15 degrees in all axis to provide additional elevation or maintain a level firing platform for the weapons. Target acquisition and weapons control are controlled by the section commander from the Tactical Operations Centre; however, independent targeting automation systems (or manual targeting control) can handle these functions so reducing the commander's workload.

M11 Babar stands on your points and crushes them

-M2A 5-2 Flamethrower
-Morita Cross Heavy Machine Gun
-M779 Ultralight-weight Howitzer
-M648 Vulcan Rotary Cannon

Lol no, read the massive array of weaponry the Cheyenne has. And this is just one dropship, man. You feel the need to bring in the Mech suits? Fine. The Sulaco carries TWO drop ships, babe. That's not even mentioning the weaponry the Sulaco carries.

And yes, the Sulaco is a ship that is part of the CM. Unlike MI they have orbital craft. Hell, the MI cannot even go to the moon without Fleet holding their hand.

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/M577_Armored_Personnel_Carrier


The M577's chasis is made of bonded titanium and incorporates a 5 cm foam-packed floor cavity to protect against forged-fragmentation mines.

LoL! The old Morita rifle MI grunts use can punch right through that; an M11 Babar's guns would obliterate it and all its occupants in two seconds

Told you the CM APC was a piece of junk, a sub par drive-train and now weaksauce armor

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL! The old Morita rifle MI grunts use can punch right through that; an M11 Babar's guns would obliterate it and all its occupants in two seconds

Told you the CM APC was a piece of junk, a sub par drive-train and now weaksauce armor

You do know what a chassis is, don't you?

Well, the thread is done. I just found this tidbit regarding the Federation personnel:

All Federation military receive gene therapy which greatly enhances all aspects of combat prowess.3 This is part of the reason the Stratocratic Government has been so effective despite the fact that no real democracy exists in this alternative human future.1 The benefits this gene therapy provides the military members are as follows:

Strength
The gene therapy provided to the Federation's military personnel grants a 3-5 times strength enhancement. This enhancement multiplier is is compared to a highly trained strength athlete. If this enhancement is compared to a regular contemporary human, this enhancement is more comparable to a 7-10x multiplier.4

Skeletal Durability
The gene therapy provided to the Federation's military personnel grants a 5 times bone durability enhancement. This also includes the connective tissues such as tendons. This durability increase does not come at the cost of increased body mass: the bones still have the same mass but they are made stronger.3

Visual Acuity
The gene therapy provided to the Federation's military personnel grants a 5 times vision increase. This is comparable to having the eyesight of an Eagle. This visual boost makes the poorest Federation soldiers better marksmen than even the best contemporary snipers.5

Endurance
The gene therapy provided to the Federation's military personnel grants a 5 times endurance ability. This multiplier applies to both short distance explosive endurance nad long distance endurance. This multiplier is also compared to the finest sprinters and long-distance runners. Their bodies produce so little fatigue toxins that they can run at top speed for 1000 meters.3

Intelligence
The gene therapy provided to the Federation's military personnel gives an average IQ of 200. This means that the average Federation member has an IQ of 200 compared to the population average.2

Sources:
1. Starship Troopers (1997 film)
2. Starship Troopers 2: Hero of the Federation
3. Starship Troopers: Insect Touch
4. Starship Troopers 3: Marauder
5. Starship Troopers (1959 Novel)

I pulled all that whole section from here:

https://www.starshiptroops.guide/Federation#?324416/546333

That site also includes interviews with Paul Verhoeven and Phil Tippett where they both say that they adhered to the genetic enhancement ideas for their films. They also said that part of their continued theme was showing that despite all of their enhancements, the arrogance of the Federation still cannot help them against the Bugs.

So you are saying.......?

Also, I noticed that when an MI trooper shoots a bug, there is much more bug parts/debris flying around than when a CM soldier shoots a Xeno. I am thinking that the Morita, compared to the pulse rifle, is a harder hitting round, whereas the pulse rifle is a more penetrating round. So when an MI trooper shoots a Xeno, the acid spray will be that much more severe.

As for what DDM said, I'll let Robtard decide whether or not to allow it.

For the record, I really hope he does, because it will only help my CM argument.

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
So you are saying.......?

Also, I noticed that when an MI trooper shoots a bug, there is much more bug parts/debris flying around than when a CM soldier shoots a Xeno. I am thinking that the Morita, compared to the pulse rifle, is a harder hitting round, whereas the pulse rifle is a more penetrating round. So when an MI trooper shoots a Xeno, the acid spray will be that much more severe.

Told you already, the Morita round is a massive kinetic killer.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Well, the thread is done. I just found this tidbit regarding the Federation personnel:

I pulled all that whole section from here:

https://www.starshiptroops.guide/Federation#?324416/546333

That site also includes interviews with Paul Verhoeven and Phil Tippett where they both say that they adhered to the genetic enhancement ideas for their films. They also said that part of their continued theme was showing that despite all of their enhancements, the arrogance of the Federation still cannot help them against the Bugs.

/boom

/killedit

Originally posted by Robtard
Told you already, the Morita round is a massive kinetic killer.
So more acid spray. Yay.

Originally posted by Robtard
/boom

/killedit

Mhm, knew you would grasp at this straw. Here we go:

Every battle scene in Starship Troopers the MI move at human speed. They display human strength. Never, not once, is the so called gene therapy displayed as helping them in any way, shape or form. Where are the uber feats of strength, speed and stamina? Why did Razchek need a ZOOMED IN sniper rifle to shoot that bug in the canyon who was a mere 50 yards away? I could have made that shot with an iron sight M-16.

So, as it stands, the CM with NO gene therapy move as fast and are just as strong as an MI trooper WITH uber gene therapy.

Smarter? 😆 Gimmee a break. In the battle of Klendathu scene, the MI display stupidity that is second to none. Hell, I'd take LT and his Tears of the Sun SEALS over the Roughnecks any day.

Remember the MVF golden rule, what is shown onscreen>>>>Everything else.

And, as usual, be mad.

Grasp? I already killed the thread before those "facts" where brought in

No, you couldn't have. It was over 500 meters away

On screen feats > you; Genes > you

I don't get mad; I especially don't get mad when J. Rico is winning. Go Johnny go, go, go-ooooo

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
So more acid spray. Yay.

Wrong.

Originally posted by Robtard
Grasp? I already killed the thread before those "facts" where brought in

No, you couldn't have. It was over 500 meters away

On screen feats > you; Genes > you

I don't get mad; I especially don't get mad when J. Rico is winning. Go Johnny go, go, go-ooooo

You've killed nothing. You've proven nothing. The only thing proven is that you have a man crush on Rico and can't stand to see him lose.

Lol it was not. Razchek told the radio guy yo go to higher ground and he did. 15ish seconds later he was attacked. You telling me the trooper covered 546 yards in that time frame? He would have to be moving at YuLaw speed.

The gene therapy argument is BS. The MI never, not once, displayed any feats that come even close to proving what you claim they are capable of. Fact is, they moved t human speeds and displayed human strength. Remember the MVF golden rule, what is SEEN on screen>>>>>What is said.

Oh yeah you mad.

Originally posted by Robtard
Wrong.
Aahahaha you're an idiot. A harder hitting round causes more damage. More damage=More acid spray.

Be mad.

Look who is upset now. But an explosive tipped round that causes an internal explosion would in theory cause lots of blood to be sprayed, yet the CMs weren't drenched in xeno blood, so the MIs won't be swimming in it with their non-explosive round, as you seem to think

Originally posted by Robtard
Look who is upset now. But an explosive tipped round that causes an internal explosion would in theory cause lots of blood to be sprayed, yet the CMs weren't drenched in xeno blood, so the MIs won't be swimming in it with their non-explosive round, as you seem to think

Lol, they were on several occasions. With different caliber firearms.

The Morita was blowing off bug limbs left and right, acid will be spraying everywhere.

The only thing the Morita will be blowing off here will be CM heads, arms and legs

Also, this is you inadvertently admitting that the Morita > Pulse rifle in its ass. Got you