1. Nihilus is more of just a primal intent with a sliver of emotion (sparing Visas and getting angry at her), not so much a mind, tbh. I doubt Vitiate's TP would work on him.
2. Well, you can trace their roots to the same origins, but essentially they splintered off or something, so they probably had different breakthroughs in knowledge and discoveries. I mean, we do know that different splinters of the Sith Empire (Sorcerers of Tund, Lost Tribe) had different powers/knowledge/views, so yeah.
3. Well, if you knew, you should know my stance, lol.
Originally posted by Sinious
Well the way I see it, a non darksider would have a harder time against this technique compared to the supreme masters of the dark side and being more powerful overall will surely help him. Besides, Vitiate has TP that I never mentioned cause I don't know if Nihilus would be vulnerable to it. Take example. 😛Aren't they all kinda from the same tribe? I mean you made it sound like Malachor Sith were a separate dynamic in Sith culture that had knowledge the other sith didn't. If that's the case, she would be more specific for sure.
I'm aware of all that you said about the Ones. I simply asked to understand what your point of view is on Nihilus. Some people don't even have him near top sith tier while others think he can drain whoever he encounters including the Ones.
For god sake,let's end this theory... The Ones aren't the Force itself and neither STAR WARS GODS!!!!!
The Ones are just a highly advanced race who are the best in mythos and most powerful of them. For example,the Son when struck down his sister showed remorse,this means he's not "THE DARK SIDE ITSELF" nor the Daughter "THE LIGHT SIDE ITSELF", nor the Father "THE FORCE ITSELF"... They are just the most perfect embodiments(no question)
Yes,Nihilus will "hunger" the Ones,but not because he's omnipotent,as his level of power is below theirs,but because of his unique condition that allows him to bleed the Force itself and feed on it.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Nihilus was still capable of creating a holocron and conversing with others. His thoughts were warped, but not to bestial degree imo.
Do we know that he created the holocron after he was defeated on the Ravager and his armor was transported to Korriban for burial or before that,when he still had a body and he was not so "corrupted"!?
Originally posted by Nephthys
Nihilus was still capable of creating a holocron and conversing with others. His thoughts were warped, but not to bestial degree imo.
It's confirmed that he's pretty primal, or at least Kreia claims that (she also claims that a "stray thought" can draw him).
He does have some emotion/logical thinking, but he's almost entirely driven by his hunger as of KotOR II.
Originally posted by SunRazer
1. Nihilus is more of just a primal intent with a sliver of emotion (sparing Visas and getting angry at her), not so much a mind, tbh. I doubt Vitiate's TP would work on him.2. Well, you can trace their roots to the same origins, but essentially they splintered off or something, so they probably had different breakthroughs in knowledge and discoveries. I mean, we do know that different splinters of the Sith Empire (Sorcerers of Tund, Lost Tribe) had different powers/knowledge/views, so yeah.
3. Well, if you knew, you should know my stance, lol.
1. He still has a conscience though, as Neph so delicately put. See this is why its pointless to debate about Nihilus. Almost everything about the dude is unknown so I choose to compare showings to get the best result and Vitiate has far superior combat feats + accolades.
2. Hmm while that is a fair point, the context Kreia's used the word "ancients" in sounds to me like she was referring to the famous dark lords of ancient times. I can't say for sure I guess.
3. I didnt see your "Vitiate wins" post though.
Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
Do we know that he created the holocron after he was defeated on the Ravager and his armor was transported to Korriban for burial or before that,when he still had a body and he was not so "corrupted"!?
It was evidently after his body had disintegrated and he'd relocated his spirit to his armor. Krayt is asking him how he managed to do that.
Originally posted by SunRazer
It's confirmed that he's pretty primal, or at least Kreia claims that (she also claims that a "stray thought" can draw him).He does have some emotion/logical thinking, but he's almost entirely driven by his hunger as of KotOR II.
I figure she was being hyperbolic and bitter. He's shown that he's capable of cognizant thought. But yeah, he's driven by his hunger, just in a way that an extreme addict is.
Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
Yes,Nihilus will "hunger" the Ones,but not because he's omnipotent,as his level of power is below theirs,but because of his unique condition that allows him to bleed the Force itself and feed on it.
See this is what I'm talking about. Nihilus has no showings to suggest that he could drain beings more powerful than himself. Its your assumption and nothing more.
He had some success against Luke, as well.
Vitiate's TP not working is a result of Nihilus's mental state, which is actually something we can logically claim as opposed to Nihilus's Drain failing as a result of "superior dark side knowledge and power". I've just provided two instances where more knowledgeable and more powerful beings were affected by a weaker being's Drain.
So you assume that Niihilus being in a unique state of mind = being immune to TP and its logical thinking? My assumption is that Vitiate might be immune or at least can defend against the drain cause his position as a dark side practitioner is unique to other powerful sith lords. Why is that not a logical claim?
1 of those instances is irrelevant and as I said earlier in this thread, a more powerful light sider would most likely have a harder time compared to the living embodiment of the dark side. That's what I meant by having greater understanding of the dark side matters in such case.
Do you actually believe Nihilus can drain Vitiate or are you just entertaining the idea of it?