Originally posted by Sinious
So you assume that Niihilus being in a unique state of mind = being immune to TP and its logical thinking? My assumption is that Vitiate might be immune or at least can defend against the drain cause his position as a dark side practitioner is unique to other powerful sith lords. Why is that not a logical claim?1 of those instances is irrelevant and as I said earlier in this thread, a more powerful light sider would most likely have a harder time compared to the living embodiment of the dark side. That's what I meant by having greater understanding of the dark side matters in such case.
Do you actually believe Nihilus can drain Vitiate or are you just entertaining the idea of it?
Because Nihilus has no real mind to control. Vitiate, on the other hand, is still a Force user, so it's not implausible that Nihilus can Drain him.
I'm honestly not sure if he could, but decisively claiming either would be pretty hasty of somebody. I'm mostly playing devil's advocate at this stage.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Because Nihilus has no real mind to control. Vitiate, on the other hand, is still a Force user, so it's not implausible that Nihilus can Drain him.
That's your interpretation of Nihilus. He still functions as an individual and makes decisions, reacts to his surroundings with a decent intellect. He can still talk and even create a holocron. I don't think he is as mindless as you think.
I'm honestly not sure if he could, but decisively claiming either would be pretty hasty of somebody.
Which is why I said we can't know for sure.
I'm mostly playing devil's advocate at this stage.
Figured.
1. He's not mindless, he's just primal intent. He can perform basic functions (partly because of his Force Sense), but he's not exactly the type of being that you would actually mind control.
2. Really? You just claimed earlier that Vitiate's knowledge of the dark side stopped Nihilus from Draining him. Unless I misunderstood you.
Originally posted by SunRazer
1. He's not mindless, he's just primal intent. He can perform basic functions (partly because of his Force Sense), but he's not exactly the type of being that you would actually mind control.
And Vitiate isn't exactly the type of being that you would just walk up to and drain. We can do this all day. 😄
2. Really? You just claimed earlier that Vitiate's knowledge of the dark side stopped Nihilus from Draining him. Unless I misunderstood you.
That's my thought on the subject but I never said I know it for certainty.
Originally posted by Sinious
See this is why its pointless to debate about Nihilus. Almost everything about the dude is unknown so I choose to compare showings to get the best result and Vitiate has far superior combat feats + accolades.
1. Nothing implies any defense to Drain, whereas Kreia does confirm the primitive state of Nihilus's mind. His power is immense, and so is his knowledge of the dark side, but you really haven't shown that he can resist Drain because of that. Nihilus not being able to Drain Vitiate is a negative and can't be proven unless you establish it as fact that Vitiate is immune to Drain.
Nihilus's Drain might not kill Vitiate instantly, but suggesting that it wouldn't have any effects whatsoever is a stretch in my opinion.
2. Okay.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Based on what Kreia claims, and it has more basis than Vitiate resisting Drain.
Darth Traya's representation is typical of the Sith Inquisitor Class of the reconstituted ancient Sith Empire:
Due to their manipulative genius, Inquisitors are skilled at exploiting both their enemies and their allies to further their own personal agendas. Channeling this Force energy, Inquisitors are capable of draining the life from their enemies and using it to feed themselves and their allies.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic (Holonet)
More:
Whether facing a traitorous fellow Sith or a crowd of Republic soldiers, the Inquisitor fights with unlimited fury to create a storm of destruction. Expertise in conducting Force energies further allows Inquisitors to draw upon the life essence of themselves and others. This energy can be channeled to bolster their powers, harm their foes, and even to reinvigorate their allies.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic (Holonet)
The red highlighted part of the aforementioned revelation makes it clear that Force Drain powers can be utilized for different purposes.
In addition, the most powerful among the Sith Inquisitors tend to be innovators:
Mastering the Dark Side
To reach the highest echelons of power, the Inquisitor needs more than Force Lightning and a razor-sharp mind. The most formidable Inquisitors dare to explore unorthodox practices by investigating the enigmas of the past and by unlocking new powers for themselves. The Force is a source of unlimited potential—a wellspring Inquisitors tap and bend to their will. Such intensity allows Sith Inquisitors to become architects of the Empire’s future… or simply the architects of their own destruction.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic (Holonet)
Even some Sith Warriors of the reconstituted ancient Sith Empire are likely to master Force Drain powers. Darth Vengean and Lord Draahg are notable examples.
Lord Draahg have an on-screen showing of subjecting another Sith Lord to a Force Drain power known as Death Field:
Death Field is extremely tedious to perform and absolutely lethal (disintegrates a target).
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Q1: Do you realize now that Sith of the reconstituted ancient Sith Empire are no strangers to Force Drain powers?
Q2: Now you tell me that why Emperor Vitiate couldn't be destroyed with Force Drain powers?
This is likely correct:
Originally posted by Sinious
I didn't say Vitiate is completely immune to Nihilus' drain. I just believe that Vitiate has the necessary defenses for it.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Darth Traya have been manipulative. Sith tend to value manipulation over honesty.Darth Traya's representation is typical of the Sith Inquisitor Class of the reconstituted ancient Sith Empire:
Due to their manipulative genius, Inquisitors are skilled at exploiting both their enemies and their allies to further their own personal agendas. Channeling this Force energy, Inquisitors are capable of draining the life from their enemies and using it to feed themselves and their allies.
Taken from [B]Star Wars: The Old Republic (Holonet)
More:
Whether facing a traitorous fellow Sith or a crowd of Republic soldiers, the Inquisitor fights with unlimited fury to create a storm of destruction. Expertise in conducting Force energies further allows Inquisitors to draw upon the life essence of themselves and others. This energy can be channeled to bolster their powers, harm their foes, and even to reinvigorate their allies.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic (Holonet)
The red highlighted part of the aforementioned revelation makes it clear that Force Drain powers can be utilized for different purposes.
In addition, the most powerful among the Sith Inquisitors tend to be innovators:
Mastering the Dark Side
To reach the highest echelons of power, the Inquisitor needs more than Force Lightning and a razor-sharp mind. The most formidable Inquisitors dare to explore unorthodox practices by investigating the enigmas of the past and by unlocking new powers for themselves. The Force is a source of unlimited potential—a wellspring Inquisitors tap and bend to their will. Such intensity allows Sith Inquisitors to become architects of the Empire’s future… or simply the architects of their own destruction.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic (Holonet)
Even some Sith Warriors of the reconstituted ancient Sith Empire are likely to master Force Drain powers. Darth Vengean and Lord Draahg are notable examples.
Lord Draahg have an on-screen showing of subjecting another Sith Lord to a Force Drain power known as Death Field:
Death Field is extremely tedious to perform and absolutely lethal (disintegrates a target).
---
Q1: Do you realize now that Sith of the reconstituted ancient Sith Empire are no strangers to Force Drain powers?
Q2: Now you tell me that why Emperor Vitiate couldn't be destroyed with Force Drain powers?
This is likely correct: [/B]
Nothing suggests here about Nihilus' Hunger.
Kreia is not an Inquisitor,she cared about the Exile... In the DS ending when youkill the three Jedi Masters,she said she wanted to see them defeated,but not killed.
She lies,but she never lies the Exile. She wants to destroy the Force,because she considers it a ***** who plays us all... So she's "good" in fact. 😛
P.S:We really need a Nihilus novel...
Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
Nothing suggests here about Nihilus' Hunger.
Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
Kreia is not an Inquisitor,she cared about the Exile... In the DS ending when youkill the three Jedi Masters,she said she wanted to see them defeated,but not killed.
Try to understand a point, instead of presenting an argument for the sake of argument.
Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
She lies,but she never lies the Exile. She wants to destroy the Force,because she considers it a ***** who plays us all... So she's "good" in fact. 😛
But she understands treachery to be not only the way of the Sith but will of the Force.
Taken from Knights of the Old Republic: Campaign Guide
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Traya manipulates the Exile into finding the surviving Jedi Masters and Traya's Sith apprentices so that Traya can destroy them.
Taken from Knights of the Old Republic: Campaign Guide
Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
P.S:We really need a Nihilus novel...
A novel about Vitiate is also needed.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I don't think LeGenD has played KotOR II, still, so he doesn't actually know anything about Traya's character.
Darth Traya is officially identified as Lord of Betrayal.
More importantly:
Traya manipulates the Exile into finding the surviving Jedi Masters and Traya's Sith apprentices so that Traya can destroy them.
Taken from Knights of the Old Republic: Campaign Guide
Thank you.