Originally posted by Angelalex242
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udd3DYiNut0Watch Evannova's video yourself, that's all I can say.
Basically, his conclusion is that while Malgus would steamroll Mara, pretty much like Ven Zallow in a straight fight, Mara doesn't DO straight fights. She Batmans people, and she's sufficiently good at it to take advantage of Malgus's lack of spatial awareness to get him.
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Originally posted by Trocity
Well that really seals the deal; she's fast and has shown great reflexes.The other characters in this thread can not hope to match her, she successfully dodged and parried attacks that would have otherwise ended her life, unlike every other duel in the SW mythos.
Lol.
Satele Shan had an answer for any situation and development during her confrontation with Darth Malgus which is really telling about her speed, reflexes, awareness and mastery of the Force. In addition, she have sufficient raw power to overwhelm any opponent in Team 2 with her powers. A lethal package.
Originally posted by Angelalex242
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udd3DYiNut0Watch Evannova's video yourself, that's all I can say.
Basically, his conclusion is that while Malgus would steamroll Mara, pretty much like Ven Zallow in a straight fight, Mara doesn't DO straight fights. She Batmans people, and she's sufficiently good at it to take advantage of Malgus's lack of spatial awareness to get him.
The point of lack of spatial awareness is really telling about his lack of information about Malgus's talents actually. He may have overlooked revelations of The Third Lesson.
I don't spend time on YouTube to correct people.
Actually, he didn't use Mara's stealth in the fight, claiming it's useless in a pitched duel. This is Mara without stealthing, instead relying on more normal Batmaning strategies. He said it'd basically be Mustafar, with Mara standing in for Kenobi.
He did emphasize that Mara can't make ANY mistakes and it's a narrow victory, but she still pulls it off. I think he'd say Mara takes 11/20. Or so.
Originally posted by Angelalex242
Actually, he didn't use Mara's stealth in the fight, claiming it's useless in a pitched duel. This is Mara without stealthing, instead relying on more normal Batmaning strategies. He said it'd basically be Mustafar, with Mara standing in for Kenobi.He did emphasize that Mara can't make ANY mistakes and it's a narrow victory, but she still pulls it off. I think he'd say Mara takes 11/20. Or so.
Mara cannot cope with Malgus for long in a pitched battle. And neither can she countercheck or neuter Malgus's powers like Obi-Wan managed to against Anakin.
Also, I am curious about batmanning strategies based argument. What kind of batmanning strategies can Mara pull off in a fair confrontation or pitched battle?
Originally posted by Angelalex242
He pronounced Mara and Malgus equals in both the Force and Dueling. The only mismatches were Malgus's absurd strength and Mara's tools, including blaster and crush gauntlets.Shows you how highly he thinks of Mara, or how low he thinks of Malgus, depending on your point of view.
Originally posted by Angelalex242
He pronounced Mara and Malgus equals in both the Force and Dueling. The only mismatches were Malgus's absurd strength and Mara's tools, including blaster and crush gauntlets.Shows you how highly he thinks of Mara, or how low he thinks of Malgus, depending on your point of view.
Its the latter.
Originally posted by Angelalex242
Well, the Tier list has them both at Tier 8s, with Malgus having only minor edges.Hence, close enough that Evannova cannot be declared an idiot for having an opinion. And Ad Hominem is bad form in debate anyway.
Malgus approached (Sith Emperor) TIER in the context of Sith hierarchy officially. Go figure.
If Mara was so powerful and capable (as some fans assume her to be) then Darth Sidious would have considered her for apprenticeship and pitted her against Darth Vader to test her skills. This didn't happen.
Mara is a highly competent assassin but she is not Sith Lord material. Her performance against Darth Caedus is absolutely circumstantial, the latter underestimated her decision-making potential (tactical brilliance) and this is why he faltered. In fact, Darth Caedus is also immensely overhyped in competence and power by many fans.
I am very well informed about Malgus and TOR era literature in general and I also have access to all of the lore featuring Mara at my disposal, therefore my short responses should not be mistaken for my lack of knowledge. Ad Hominem is not my way of debating but I do no shy away from pointing out absurdities in POV of people.
Originally posted by Angelalex242
Well, it'd be the reverse for me. I'm willing to give Mara quite a lot of credit. I've studied her lately.And she did make it to Jedi Master and Council Member in the NJO.
Sith rankings are much more power-oriented then Jedi rankings. Sith Emperor is the highest and most difficult rank to achieve in the Sith hierarchy and few in the entirety of the mythos have the power to become an Emperor.
Give her all the credit you want, but putting Mara ahead of the Dark Lord who consistently annihilated the jedi order's best before fully harnessing his rage and focus, which in turn exponentially increased his power, and 20 more years until his reign as False Emperor in which he'd mastered the force maelstrom, the stepping stone to the ultimate dark side ability, is a different story.
...I don't think that was Emperor Malgus in the fight. Evannova goes on and on about how he always gets caught by unarmed attacks and has no spatial awareness. Perhaps it's an early Malgus she beat.
The Emperor version seems to be as far beyond normal Malgus as DE Sidious is beyond the normal version.