As far as I can tell, the Tier 8 Malgus listed couldn't possibly be Emperor Malgus. As you say, you don't get that title without being at least a 9. And he was probably pretty close to Vitiate's level.
Caedus is certainly the mightiest Sith who probably could've been an Emperor but never took that title.
Originally posted by Angelalex242
...I don't think that was Emperor Malgus in the fight. Evannova goes on and on about how he always gets caught by unarmed attacks and has no spatial awareness. Perhaps it's an early Malgus she beat.The Emperor version seems to be as far beyond normal Malgus as DE Sidious is beyond the normal version.
As for the awareness:-
He was baiting him, Malgus realized. Feigning weakness.
Malgus relented in his attack, backed off a few steps, and reached out through the Force. Immediately he felt the faint, intentionally suppressed signature of another light-side user to his right. The Jedi's ally was hidden in the rubble, moving closer.
Malgus loosed a furious series of overhand strikes that forced the Zabrak to retreat rapidly. Sidestepping a stab from the Jedi, Malgus rode his motion into a Force-augmented spinning side kick that hit the Jedi in the ribs and sent him cartwheeling into the wall of nearby building. At the same time, he reached out with the Force for the hidden light-side user, brushed aside the resistance he felt, and pulled the Jedi out of hiding.
A human male in his twenties rose up out of ruins, dangling like a fish on the hook of Malgus's power. His legs kicked futilely; the green blade of his lightsaber cut at empty air; he gagged as Malgus's power squeezed shut his throat.
"Vorin!" shouted the Zabrak.
"So much for your ambush," Malgus said, and closed his fist, crushing Vorin's windpipe. He let the body fall to the charred earth. A flash of anger, quickly suppressed, shot from the Zabrak as he bounded over the rubble at Malgus. Malgus watched him come, his red blade held slack at his side.
Taken from (SWTOR: The Third Lesson)
Nah, Malgus wasn't close to Vitiate level, in all honesty. At best you could say Malgus is a a solid tier below Vitiate. The closest to the Sith Emperor in the era was Revan, and even he is revealed to be epically outmatched according to the new expansion.
But yeah, Emperor Malgus is probably higher than tier 8, but that would depend who he's categorized with and who's above him.
Originally posted by Angelalex242
I believe the examples used were a soldier managing to put a grenade in his face, and him getting kicked during the sacking of the temple.Both appear to be videogame cutscenes.
Malgus was contending with Satele Shan and Jace Malcom took advantage of this situation. He wouldn't have this opportunity under fair circumstances.
Zallow is more impressive then he seems to be in the SWTOR Deceived cinematic trailer. A novel offers full detail of this confrontation. And he managed to hit Malgus only once, but not with a kick. Malgus managed to kicked Zallow earlier actually.
Originally posted by Angelalex242
As far as I can tell, the Tier 8 Malgus listed couldn't possibly be Emperor Malgus. As you say, you don't get that title without being at least a 9. And he was probably pretty close to Vitiate's level.
In the lore, Emperor Vitiate absolutely eclipses the power of any Jedi and Sith in history, is touted to be the most powerful Force-user in the galaxy in history. He is likely to have rivals among entities holistically.
Originally posted by Angelalex242
Caedus is certainly the mightiest Sith who probably could've been an Emperor but never took that title.
Based on the aforementioned ranking scale, I consider Darth Caedus to be TIER 8 which is very good nonetheless.
Caedus usually rates 9.5, actually. At least, he does in the EU thread we're building.
Do not underestimate the power of Skywalker's lineage.
Vitiate cannot go toe to toe with Sidious.
Of course, we're WAY off topic.
In this thread, we're trying to prove Mara can stealth and kill her opponents in this scenario. Or at least, I am. Malgus's strength isn't actually relevant.
Originally posted by Angelalex242
Caedus usually rates 9.5, actually. At least, he does in the EU thread we're building.
Originally posted by Angelalex242
Do not underestimate the power of Skywalker's lineage.
Originally posted by Angelalex242
Vitiate cannot go toe to toe with Sidious.
Originally posted by Angelalex242
Of course, we're WAY off topic.In this thread, we're trying to prove Mara can stealth and kill her opponents in this scenario. Or at least, I am. Malgus's strength isn't actually relevant.
However, Mara is unlikely to pull off a successful stealthy attack unless the setting favors element of surprise for her.
Originally posted by Angelalex242
Caedus usually rates 9.5, actually. At least, he does in the EU thread we're building.Do not underestimate the power of Skywalker's lineage.
Vitiate cannot go toe to toe with Sidious.
Of course, we're WAY off topic.
In this thread, we're trying to prove Mara can stealth and kill her opponents in this scenario. Or at least, I am. Malgus's strength isn't actually relevant.
I'd clock Caedus as high Tier 9. Behind Revan Reborn of course. 😎
Not all of them are insurmountable Gods.
Yeah, I'd say he certainly can. Though admittedly I am going to do a complete re-examination of all the Emperor's feats and accolades.
And prove away you can. 👆
Originally posted by Angelalex242
We have her listed as an 8 in our thread. The bottom of 8, but 8 nonetheless. Jaina is a higher 8, but still an 8.
I would put Mara (Prime) at TIER 6 and Jaina (Prime) at TIER 5.
Satele Shan (Prime), who is solidly above any female Jedi in this contest in raw power and mastery of the Force, fits in the TIER 7.