Malgus's pre-waifu lightning was deflected fairly casually in mid-air by Aryn Leneer. The same effort post-waifu quickly destroyed her lightsaber defenses and eliminated her. add 20 years to this and the added ability of force maelstrom, plus the effectiveness boost he'd get in lightsaber combat from his power increasing, and it is a vast superiority, IMO.
Originally posted by Angelalex242
It's the thread Carthage made in the non versus forum, if you're wondering.Leia is also rated an 8 force side, if you're wondering. So when we say team 2 wins, we're counting on the 3 8s of team 2 being enough to carry Aayla to victory.
Originally posted by Angelalex242
It's the thread Carthage made in the non versus forum, if you're wondering.Leia is also rated an 8 force side, if you're wondering. So when we say team 2 wins, we're counting on the 3 8s of team 2 being enough to carry Aayla to victory.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
That thread is not by any means evidence.
Originally posted by AncientPower
I take it you haven't read NJO or LOTF if you think Mara is tier 6, definitely a tier 8, her respect thread would be good reading for you.
She have some good esoteric talents and is reasonable with TK. Nothing grand.
Her competence lay in smart decision-making, she may even choose to fight an opponent in a setting of her choice where she can gain advantage. However, she is far from being infallible. And versus scenarios are rarely story-oriented.
Satele Shan would wreck her with her powers, and then snap her neck.
Originally posted by AncientPower
If it was so easy to trash Mara Jade with the Force she would have been killed long before Caedus by the numerous opponents she has faced, many of whom are considerably more powerful than Satele Shan.
Joke of the month awards goes to you.
Practically speaking, Mara has encountered 4 Sith more powerful then Shan.
Vader, Sidious, Lumiya, Caedus.
For all that C'baoth was a nuisance, however, he probably can't take Shan.
This doesn't count any jedi she's sparred against for practice and training, notably her husband. Sparring against one that can take out Team 1 by himself is sure to be good for her. At the very least, it means Team 1 can throw nothing at her she hasn't seen before. She's going to have tactics prepared for what happens when she's outgunned as a force user, as a duelist, or both. She uses many of these against Caedus, and it works well enough he's forced to rely on a dirty trick to get her.
None of her her opponents in this match have a poison dart gauntlet to kill her off with.
Speaking of which, let's not underestimate Mrs. Fel and her Boba Fett training. Boba's one of the best jedi killers ever for a guy with no force powers. And he taught Jaina pretty much everything he knew, on the theory that no matter who won between herself and Caedus, Han Solo was going to hurt. He was right, naturally.
Leia's battle meditation is an adequate counter for Team 1's use of the same.
If Lumiya's trash, how do you explain her surviving so many confrontations with Luke Skywalker himself? They can't ALL be Plot Induced Stupidity.
The point of bringing them up is that Mara can, and often has, dealt with being outgunned and came out on top. In the chaos of a 4 on 4 battle, there's sure to be ample opportunities for her to do what she does best.
It's not exactly uncommon in Star Wars for an outgunned character to win based on circumstance. Even if the circumstance is as simple as ObiWan having the high ground.
Originally posted by Angelalex242
If Lumiya's trash, how do you explain her surviving so many confrontations with Luke Skywalker himself? They can't ALL be Plot Induced Stupidity.The point of bringing them up is that Mara can, and often has, dealt with being outgunned and came out on top. In the chaos of a 4 on 4 battle, there's sure to be ample opportunities for her to do what she does best.
It's not exactly uncommon in Star Wars for an outgunned character to win based on circumstance. Even if the circumstance is as simple as ObiWan having the high ground.
Yeah, pretty much. Lumiya's whip makes things tricky and Luke did date her for a bit so he probably doesn't want to slaughter her. Plus Luke always holds back, particularly in the force and is extremely inconsistent. You don't think he could have ragdolled her if he wanted? Lumiya has no business being in the same league as Vader.
When did she come out on top of Vader and Sidious? The Caedus thing was his own arrogance and circumstance.
Circumstances which don't exist in a versus thread.