Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Not on planetary-scale.Nihilus approached Telos IV prior to confrontation with Strike Team led by Surik, right? He didn't manage to assault Telos IV in the manner of Katarr during these developments and was taken down.
Irrelevant. The scale doesn't matter, its the same technique so it takes the same amount of time to use and the same prerequisites. That is to say, none at all. Nihilus and Traya both used it at will on screen, so thats how Nihilus' drain can be used.
Originally posted by Bigblue442
Source?
Unseen, Unheard confirms that it took Nihilus under an hour to consume the planet of Katarr.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Nihilus, as a Force Wound incarnate, is constantly consuming the Living Force around him to sustain his hunger,
No he isn't. 😬
Originally posted by Nephthys
Irrelevant. The scale doesn't matter, its the same technique so it takes the same amount of time to use and the same prerequisites. That is to say, none at all. Nihilus and Traya both used it at will on screen, so thats how Nihilus' drain can be used.
I know that he can perform Force Drain swiftly. I am focusing on the scale of attack.
Their is hell of a difference in using powers against an opponent or two and on mass level.
Originally posted by Angelalex242very cool. I don't agree with 100% of it but it is still well done. Darth Vader should be done
Calling him 'infinite' is a little misleading. People call the Hulk's strength infinite too. It isn't. It just grows as he gets angrier, but at no given point is it actually infinite.Anyways....
Compare:
http://outskirtsbattledomewiki.com/index.php/8-character-profiles/387-character-profile-darth-caedus
http://outskirtsbattledomewiki.com/index.php/8-character-profiles/224-character-profile-exar-kun
http://outskirtsbattledomewiki.com/index.php/8-character-profiles/206-character-profile-sith-emperor
http://outskirtsbattledomewiki.com/index.php/8-character-profiles/408-character-profile-abeloth
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
😬I know that he can perform Force Drain swiftly. I am focusing on the scale of attack.
Their is hell of a difference in using powers against an opponent or two and on mass level.
Not to the extent of needing to perform a ritual for the latter and completely change the nature of the technique.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Not to the extent of needing to perform a ritual for the latter and completely change the nature of the technique.
Visas revealed that inhabitants of Katarr (including herself) heard his voice during the attack. Therefore, her remark that when he spoke, everybody died.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDBecause he's a hungry bastard and seeks to consume places and people saturated in the Force. Its the difference between eating one chip and at a time and getting a Big Mac.
Beni,If Nihilus is continuously increasing in power, why does he feels the need to attack planets again and again? And why he failed to consume Telos IV on short notice after approaching it in space?
Something is amiss.
When he feels weak, he decides to consume on mass scale. Otherwise, he continues to function for days without bothering to do so because his hunger is satiated for a while. Force exists everywhere so if he could sustain himself by consuming it directly, he wouldn't have focused on individuals (he cannot feed on the Force directly). He prefers to target Force-sensitive individuals to satiate his hunger.
Point is that while he consumes, he also expends the energy performing various tasks and activities, and performing a drain on mass scale would require lot of energy and effort.
The instability is that he is not able to maintain energy within him properly, perhaps in part due to his condition.
Their are so many variables.
I would advise you not to make assumptions on content you supposedly haven't experienced first hand, allow me to educate. Nihilus is hunger incarnate, he never stops feeding, his hunger is insatiable. This is like the defining trait of Darth Nihilus, the fact that he will never ever be satisfied because feeding just makes the wound inside him grow.
...it devours him as he devours others—his mere presence kills all around him, slowly, feeding him.
...
Darth Nihilus is literally a destroyer of worlds, powered by an insatiable hunger that drives him to consume greater and greater populations.
...
Then, when all seems lost, he discovers that his emptiness hungered. The first time, he fed it unconsciously. Draining another being's life is frightening, nauseating, but for a euphoric moment, the memories, the illness, and the hunger disappeared. But it proves insatiable. The more he indulges it, the shorter the satisfaction lasts and the more severe the hunger becomes. He begins feeding relentlessly, still always craving.
Remember his Force wound is always passively absorbing power. And for the record he did not weaken, his powers were constantly building and reaching unfathomable, ultra powerful levels beyond really the likes of Sidious and the Sith Emperor. Its also nowhere suggested that he needs to feed in the respect that if he did not he would die, considering that was not what happened to the Jedi Exile, I expect this incorrect, and that not feeding was the only cure to his condition.
As for whether the act itself consumed energy, likely true, but like with the Sith Emperor's Nathema ritual the returns would outweigh the expenses and in each instance Nihilus would always find his powers increase. Bearing in mind the whole thing is made much easier, if not effortless, by his ever growing wound, which basically acts as a Force vacuum.
The only thing that is amiss I'm afraid is your misunderstanding of my point, refer to the definition of infinite, and how it has nothing to do with time.
To quote myself:
Originally posted by BeniboyblingTo put it simply, if you possess infinite power it does not mean you can do everything instantly, it does not come under the definition. The fact that Nihilus could not consume Telos IV instantly, if that is indeed a fact, does not change the fact that it was within his power either.
Allow me to break it down for you, firstly, lets be clear on the definition of infinite, which is not something that is unlimited in every respect i.e. all powerful, but:limitless or endless in space, extent, or size; impossible to measure or calculate.
Darth Nihilus is not unlimited in every respect, to claim that his powers are infinite does not mean Nihilus is all-powerful or omnipotent, it does not mean he can do whatever he wants whenever he wants, such as consume a galaxy, what it means is that there are no limits to the amount of power Nihilus has the capacity to wield.
Originally posted by Angelalex242That's because unlike Nihilus, I assume the Hulk ultimately has a limit, a capping point.
Calling him 'infinite' is a little misleading. People call the Hulk's strength infinite too. It isn't. It just grows as he gets angrier, but at no given point is it actually infinite.
If he doesn't then yeah, infinite strength right there.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Because he's a hungry bastard and seeks to consume places and people saturated in the Force. Its the difference between eating one chip and at a time and getting a Big Mac.I would advise you not to make assumptions on content you supposedly haven't experienced first hand, allow me to educate. Nihilus is hunger incarnate, he never stops feeding, his hunger is insatiable. This is like the defining trait of Darth Nihilus, the fact that he will never ever be satisfied because feeding just makes the wound inside him grow.
...it devours him as he devours others—his mere presence kills all around him, slowly, feeding him.
...
Darth Nihilus is literally a destroyer of worlds, powered by an insatiable hunger that drives him to consume greater and greater populations.
...
Then, when all seems lost, he discovers that his emptiness hungered. The first time, he fed it unconsciously. Draining another being's life is frightening, nauseating, but for a euphoric moment, the memories, the illness, and the hunger disappeared. But it proves insatiable. The more he indulges it, the shorter the satisfaction lasts and the more severe the hunger becomes. He begins feeding relentlessly, still always craving.
Remember his Force wound is always passively absorbing power. And for the record he did not weaken, his powers were constantly building and reaching unfathomable, ultra powerful levels beyond really the likes of Sidious and the Sith Emperor. Its also nowhere suggested that he needs to feed in the respect that if he did not he would die, considering that was not what happened to the Jedi Exile, I expect this incorrect, and that not feeding was the only cure to his condition.
As for whether the act itself consumed energy, likely true, but like with the Sith Emperor's Nathema ritual the returns would outweigh the expenses and in each instance Nihilus would always find his powers increase. Bearing in mind the whole thing is made much easier, if not effortless, by his ever growing wound, which basically acts as a Force vacuum.
The only thing that is amiss I'm afraid is your misunderstanding of my point, refer to the definition of infinite, and how it has nothing to do with time.
To quote myself:To put it simply, if you possess infinite power it does not mean you can do everything instantly, it does not come under the definition. The fact that Nihilus could not consume Telos IV instantly, if that is indeed a fact, does not change the fact that it was within his power either.
Noted that Nihilus never stops feeding. However, he cannot consume the Force directly as you implied earlier. He fed on individuals to satiate his hunger, preferred Force-sensitivities for greater returns. If he could feed on the Force directly, he would have virtually endless supply of energy and would have no need to focus on individuals.
As for growth in power, this is just a conjecture. Darth Traya asserted that he would eventually self-destruct:
"There is no strength in the hunger he possesses… and the will behind his power is a primal thing. And it devours him as he devours others—his mere presence kills all around him, slowly, feeding him. He is already dead, it is simply a question of how many he kills before he falls."
As far as his feats are concerned, his top known feat is successful attack on Katarr on a mass scale. In other instances, he have not demonstrated an offensive feat of such a scale, not on short notice at least. This is why I brought up the matter of Telos IV.
If your theory is correct about continuous growth in power in Nihilus, he could theoretically destroy Telos IV on short notice. But this didn't happen.
Therefore, your interpretation of Nihilus is in question. And my contention is that Nihilus cannot perform Drain on mass scale without adequate preparation which might take time. In short, Nihilus isn't an unstoppable juggernaut of destruction that you are making him out to be.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Beni,Noted that Nihilus never stops feeding. However, he cannot consume the Force directly as you implied earlier. He fed on individuals to satiate his hunger, preferred Force-sensitivities for greater returns. If he could feed on the Force directly, he would have virtually endless supply of energy and would have no need to focus on individuals.
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
As for growth in power, this is just a conjecture. Darth Traya asserted that he would eventually self-destruct:"There is no strength in the hunger he possesses… and the will behind his power is a primal thing. And it devours him as he devours others—his mere presence kills all around him, slowly, feeding him. He is already dead, it is simply a question of how many he kills before he falls."
As far as his feats are concerned, his top known feat is successful attack on Katarr on a mass scale. In other cases, he have not demonstrated an offensive feat of such a scale, not on short notice at least. This is why I brought up the matter of Telos IV.
If your theory is correct about continuous growth in power in Nihilus, he could theoretically destroy Telos IV on short notice. But this didn't happen.
Therefore, your interpretation of Nihilus is in question.
Nihilus has drained worlds other than Katarr. This is mentioned both in Kotor 2 and in other sources.
Originally posted by Angelalex242
Calling him 'infinite' is a little misleading. People call the Hulk's strength infinite too. It isn't. It just grows as he gets angrier, but at no given point is it actually infinite.Anyways....
Compare:
http://outskirtsbattledomewiki.com/index.php/8-character-profiles/387-character-profile-darth-caedus
http://outskirtsbattledomewiki.com/index.php/8-character-profiles/224-character-profile-exar-kun
http://outskirtsbattledomewiki.com/index.php/8-character-profiles/206-character-profile-sith-emperor
http://outskirtsbattledomewiki.com/index.php/8-character-profiles/408-character-profile-abeloth
Why are you using what people on another forum think to be the case as some form of evidence?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDLiving Force = Force in living things, so that is not exactly what I meant. However the Living Force remains an infinite resource.
Beni,Noted that Nihilus never stops feeding. However, he cannot consume the Force directly as you implied earlier. He fed on individuals to satiate his hunger, preferred Force-sensitivities for greater returns. If he could feed on the Force directly, he would have virtually endless supply of energy and would have no need to focus on individuals.
As for growth in power, this is just a conjecture. Darth Traya asserted that he would eventually self-destruct:
"There is no strength in the hunger he possesses… and the will behind his power is a primal thing. And it devours him as he devours others—his mere presence kills all around him, slowly, feeding him. He is already dead, it is simply a question of how many he kills before he falls."
As far as his feats are concerned, his top known feat is successful attack on Katarr on a mass scale. In other instances, he have not demonstrated an offensive feat of such a scale, not on short notice at least. This is why I brought up the matter of Telos IV.
If your theory is correct about continuous growth in power in Nihilus, he could theoretically destroy Telos IV on short notice. But this didn't happen.
Therefore, your interpretation of Nihilus is in question. And my contention is that Nihilus cannot perform Drain on mass scale without adequate preparation which might take time. In short, Nihilus isn't an unstoppable juggernaut of destruction that you are making him out to be.
I think that is your interpretation, "falls" could merely imply before someone puts a stop to him, which Traya planned to do. However considering that they are no references to him being weakened and many to ever increasing powers, I think its obvious they were increasing. That is merely how the mechanics of his power would function.
In the end however, we have no means of quantifying at what stage that would occur.
Infinite = Ominipotent, all powerful or unstoppable, it merely means his powers are immeasurable, it is important you understand this and don't see to be. Really whether Nihilus requires time to do anything is totally irrelevant to this point, as if whether he is more powerful than Sidious or Vitiate, and I merely added that as an side thought.