Originally posted by carver9
😐That panel isn't enough to prove what would happen between him and Diana (Diana would curb him). Who has he beat/defeated?
No, but my point (which you missed) is that whereas Panther is on the floor, being helped up by Reed, Hawkman is continuing fighting and going on to bigger fish than Aquaman. Miles different.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No, but my point (which you missed) is that whereas Panther is on the floor, being helped up by Reed, Hawkman is continuing fighting and going on to bigger fish than Aquaman. Miles different.
And Aquaman was trying to kill Hawkman like Namor was trying to kill Panther?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Also, proof that Namor was going for the kill.Because personally, I find it hard to believe Reed Richards can stop a Namor who is out for the kill, seeing at all the things Namor has done. ....
My god, they are going to kill each other.
Lol...and Namor isn't known for pulling his punches.
Originally posted by carver9
My god, they are going to kill each other.Lol...and Namor isn't known for pulling his punches.
IOW, Reed is stronger than a bloodlusted, out for the kill Namor? OK. Note how Reed's words comes BEFORE Namor's punch - so what was Reed (and thus, you) basing their opinion on? He can be wrong too you know. BP was doing all the damage when Reed said what he said....does not mean that Namor was going to respond in kind (and we see that he does NOT, as he even mocks BP - I thought we had an agreement. Do you, carver, know what that agreement was?)
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
IOW, Reed is stronger than a bloodlusted, out for the kill Namor? OK. Note how Reed's words comes BEFORE Namor's punch - so what was Reed (and thus, you) basing their opinion on? He can be wrong too you know. BP was doing all the damage when Reed said what he said....does not mean that Namor was going to respond in kind (and we see that he does NOT, as he even mocks BP - I thought we had an agreement. Do you, carver, know what that agreement was?)
"Namor, stop this before it goes too far. Too far, is that suppose to mean something?"
Same Issue, Namor didn't care about killing a billion beings. Blew a planet up without a thought.
Then, he killed thousands of Black Panther peeps before hand.
I don't know where you are getting the idea that he held anything back because the proof goes against this.
Originally posted by carver9
]I don't know where you are getting the idea that he held anything back because the proof goes against this.
Lol all your proof is for me, not for you. You just haven't understood it, and glossed over things.
Let me break it down step by step for you.
Namor killed tons of BP's people. BP and Namor have an agreement - when all this has finished, THEN BP and Namor will have their big fight. Not before, not during, but AFTER.
Reed does not know of this agreement. He DOES however, know Namor, and knows he can be extremely hot-tempered, violent and aggressive.
BP attacks Namor, breaking the agreement that Reed has no knowledge about. All Reed sees are two guys fighting, one of whom is a class 100, the other, a tech wizard with plans for everything. So he screams out, they're going to kill each other.
Namor however, is NOT trying to kill BP - and reminds BP of their agreement to settle up AFTER everything had finished. I thought we had an understanding. Reed then restrains him.
So in summary - BP broke the agreement, Namor was still adhering to it, Reed had no idea about it and only saw two guys who both had the means to take each other down, fighting.
Proof, please, that Namor was out for the kill?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol all your proof is for me, not for you. You just haven't understood it, and glossed over things.Let me break it down step by step for you.
Namor killed tons of BP's people. BP and Namor have an agreement - when all this has finished, THEN BP and Namor will have their big fight. Not before, not during, but AFTER.
Reed does not know of this agreement. He DOES however, know Namor, and knows he can be extremely hot-tempered, violent and aggressive.
BP attacks Namor, breaking the agreement that Reed has no knowledge about. All Reed sees are two guys fighting, one of whom is a class 100, the other, a tech wizard with plans for everything. So he screams out, they're going to kill each other.
Namor however, is NOT trying to kill BP - and reminds BP of their agreement to settle up AFTER everything had finished. I thought we had an understanding. Reed then restrains him.
So in summary - BP broke the agreement, Namor was still adhering to it, Reed had no idea about it and only saw two guys who both had the means to take each other down, fighting.
Proof, please, that Namor was out for the kill?
SMH...show me Namor holding back ONCE in his career. We know he doesn't mind killing: show me the opposite. Show me him pulling his punches. I'm not going to go back and forth on this when we know what he is willing to do without hesitation.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then in the next few panels, does he then take on someone on the level of WW?
You were provided what I feel most will consider to be substantial proof. Plus I'm pretty sure Namor can take a slight majority from Aquaman.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No, but my point (which you missed) is that whereas Panther is on the floor, being helped up by Reed, Hawkman is continuing fighting and going on to bigger fish than Aquaman. Miles different.
And you brought up a scan that is highly inconclusive. You probably could have shown a better scan to back up your statement.
I mean come on...
For one, it was a short lived big team battle that had foes switching onto another. And there was literally only one scan in which Hawkman and Wondy were face to face. No actual proof of them fighting. Wondy kicked Katana towards Hawkman a page before. Then the page after your scan, the fight was already over. Your comment about moving to bigger and better things is a tad bit misplaced.
Originally posted by carver9
SMH...show me Namor holding back ONCE in his career. We know he doesn't mind killing: show me the opposite. Show me him pulling his punches. I'm not going to go back and forth on this when we know what he is willing to do without hesitation.
IOW, you have nothing to refute my argument. Show me Namor killing anyone of note. Venom, perhaps, when he ripped his wings off? Rulk, when he was crazed even more by the Phoenix Force? No? How about Reed, when he's supposedly restraining a bloodlusted out for the kill Namor?
You don't know anything about the character of Namor.
Why did he go begging to Doom, gorging on humble pie, if he does not mind killing - without hesitation, no less?
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Wait what? You asked if he can take a punch from New 52 Aquaman.
Nice of you to move the goalposts.. 🙁You were provided what I feel most will consider to be substantial proof. Plus I'm pretty sure Namor can take a slight majority from Aquaman.
Oh, I knew about the Namor showing. Check my reply to deathslash, bottom of page 1. I was always using it to lead up to the use of the WW scan.
Pretty sure your original point was T'Challa capable of taking hits from guys beyond his weight class.And you brought up a scan that is highly inconclusive. You probably could have shown a better scan to back up your statement.
I mean come on...
For one, it was a short lived big team battle that had foes switching onto another. And there was literally only one scan in which Hawkman and Wondy were face to face. No actual proof of them fighting. Wondy kicked Katana towards Hawkman a page before. Then the page after your scan, the fight was already over. Your comment about moving to bigger and better things is a tad bit misplaced.
Not just taking - as I pointed out to Carver, the two showings are miles different. Namor puts him down to his knees with one punch - VERY impressive, I agree, I am NOT lowballing it. It's a punch from fricking NAMOR. I am just saying, whereas BP (despite being bloodlusted) is still stopped in his rage, and is on his knees, and needed to be helped up, whereas Hawkman, continues fighting on, and is seen a page later fighting WW.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh, I knew about the Namor showing. Check my reply to deathslash, bottom of page 1. I was always using it to lead up to the use of the WW scan.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not just taking - as I pointed out to Carver, the two showings are miles different. Namor puts him down to his knees with one punch - VERY impressive, I agree, I am NOT lowballing it. It's a punch from fricking NAMOR. I am just saying, whereas BP (despite being bloodlusted) is still stopped in his rage, and is on his knees, and needed to be helped up, whereas Hawkman, continues fighting on, and is seen a page later fighting WW.
How could you even compare that to Hawkman's showing in that short lived scuffle? All we really see on panel was him taking a punch(almost looked like a grazed punch) from Aquaman, a few face offs, Katana being kicked to him by Wondy, and one panel in which Wondy ends up in between him(they were in a sort of grappling position) and Katana.
Now lets bring the part where you stated that Hawkman took a punch from an "angry" Aquaman. If anything it was Hawkman who should be enraged considering it looked like Clark just murdered their team member.
We now take the BP and Namor scene. Both leaders are not only dealing with a most phukked up multiversal dilemma, but are also in the middle of a personal war that has seen both their kingdoms produce countless body bags. Now tell me which fight was more emotionally charged with the possibility of one or both of them costing their very life.
Oh and if you hadn't noticed, on page 2 I did say Hawkman wins. I will add with much difficulty.
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