Originally posted by Golgo13
I would say Shaggy Man as well. Hawkman was losing a fatal amount of blood, yet kept on going. Nothing Panther has that can take him out for long.
Exactly, people tend to vote against new 52 hawkman a lot without knowing how much he has improved. His healing factor and durability are insane and he also can go into battle mode where he matched strength with blockbuster and was head to toe covered with nth metal.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85If you read Justice League of America #5 more closely, Hawkman was losing to Shaggy Man pretty steadily. And pretty badly. The JLA ended up defeating him. And as for Blockbuster, Catwoman kicked the sh1t out of him somehow.
Shaggy Man and Blockbuster say yes.
At least Black Dwarf made a stand against Gladiator, Ronan, Super-Skrull and Annihilus.
In any event, KoTD Black Panther has consistently dealt with blows from class 100s: Namor, Terrax the Enlightened, Black Dwarf. He's even outright defeated a class 100 in Black Dwarf and seemed well on his way to defeating Namor.
He also one-shot Black Swan. Who was way stronger than anybody thought when she gave the entire Illuminati team the business when they confronted/reimprisoned her. She even went on to defeat Doctor Spectrum from the Supreme Power universe during an incursion.
So if we're going by class of opponents, KoTD Black Panther looks to be superior.
Originally posted by ODG
If you read Justice League of America #5 more closely, Hawkman was losing to Shaggy Man pretty steadily. And pretty badly. The JLA ended up defeating him. And as for Blockbuster, Catwoman kicked the sh1t out of him somehow.At least Black Dwarf made a stand against Gladiator, Ronan, Super-Skrull and Annihilus.
In any event, KoTD Black Panther has consistently dealt with blows from class 100s: Namor, Terrax the Enlightened, Black Dwarf. He's even outright defeated a class 100 in Black Dwarf and seemed well on his way to defeating Namor.
He also one-shot Black Swan. Who was way stronger than anybody thought when she gave the entire Illuminati team the business when they confronted/reimprisoned her. She even went on to defeat Doctor Spectrum from the Supreme Power universe during an incursion.
So if we're going by class of opponents, KoTD Black Panther looks to be superior.
It is the amount of punishment he was able to take from shaggy man that was impressive lol. Hawkman is more durable and has the better healing factor. He has regenerated limbs taken shots from a bloodlusted wonder woman, aquaman, blockbuster and shaggy man. Panther will not put him down.
Hawkman has also one shotted people like shazam and bullet timed, he has all the tools to win the fight.
shaggy man was able to over power martian manhunter and hawkman took a beating from him, that is the feat...
Originally posted by ODG
If you read Justice League of America #5 more closely, Hawkman was losing to Shaggy Man pretty steadily. And pretty badly. The JLA ended up defeating him. And as for Blockbuster, Catwoman kicked the sh1t out of him somehow.At least Black Dwarf made a stand against Gladiator, Ronan, Super-Skrull and Annihilus.
In any event, KoTD Black Panther has consistently dealt with blows from class 100s: Namor, Terrax the Enlightened, Black Dwarf. He's even outright defeated a class 100 in Black Dwarf and seemed well on his way to defeating Namor.
He also one-shot Black Swan. Who was way stronger than anybody thought when she gave the entire Illuminati team the business when they confronted/reimprisoned her. She even went on to defeat Doctor Spectrum from the Supreme Power universe during an incursion.
So if we're going by class of opponents, KoTD Black Panther looks to be superior.
Nice to know. I had no idea that Black Panther was that kind of a threat. My first thoughts were that Hawkman would tag, and bag him.
Originally posted by thingy150Black Panther put someone down who took shots from Gladiator, Annihilus, Ronan and Super-Skrull simultaneously. Your sketchy hodge-podge of panel shots and tiny snippets of Hawkman's team fights isn't painting a picture of durability and damage soak beyond Black Panther in the slightest in the face of that. Even if I try to give your hodge-podge full faith and credit (which it certainly does not deserve).
It is the amount of punishment he was able to take from shaggy man that was impressive lol. Hawkman is more durable and has the better healing factor. He has regenerated limbs taken shots from a bloodlusted wonder woman, aquaman, blockbuster and shaggy man. Panther will not put him down.
It just strikes me that you haven't read anything on Black Panther.
Originally posted by thingy150When did Hawkman one-shot Shazam?
Hawkman has also one shotted people like shazam and bullet timed, he has all the tools to win the fight.shaggy man was able to over power martian manhunter and hawkman took a beating from him, that is the feat...
Shaggy Man overpowered J'onn with fire. You should re-read the comic.
Originally posted by ODG
Black Panther put someone down who took shots from Gladiator, Annihilus, Ronan and Super-Skrull simultaneously. Your hodge-podge of panel shots and tiny snippets of Hawkman's team fights isn't painting a picture of durability and damage soak beyond Black Panther in the slightest in the face of that even if I try to give it full faith and credit (which it certainly does not deserve).It just strikes me that you haven't read anything on Black Panther. When did Hawkman one-shot Shazam?
Shaggy Man overpowered J'onn with fire. You should re-read the comic.
He also put his hands on Jon at some point you should re-read the comic.
How did he put him down? With what equipment? I love how you talk shit about my scans without posting any yourself, hilarious. So far you have thrown out some abc logic and that seems to be it.
shazam was not seen after this.
Wonder Woman has made kryptonians bleed which superman could not do and superman is strong enough to bench the earth for 5 days straight easily. Hawkman was able to shake off a hit from a bloodlusted wonder woman, that is insane.
^ Yes, I'm sure that Black Dwarf ran away leaving a trail of his own blood because Black Panther just kept dodging him and made Black Dwarf feel sad and clumsy. Clearly unhurt, despite leaving a trail of blood.
Originally posted by thingy150So putting your hands on someone at some point is supposed to be overpowering? J'onn outright blitzed Shaggy Man through the wall before Shaggy Man was forced to resort to using fire.
He also put his hands on Jon at some point you should re-read the comic.
Originally posted by thingy150He put him down by beating the sh1t out of him. And he used whatever equipment was on his person, including his fists. And how is explaining to you what Black Panther achieved talking sh1t? You walk in here with "Hawkman fightzorzzz Aquaman+Wonder Wimminz+Shazamzzz = winzorrz" and I try my best to actually give your bastardization of an argument full credit and I'm using ABC logic? I just pointed out that Black Panther actually beat down someone who took on 4 cosmic Heralds simultaneously. So, no. Hawkman isn't beyond Black Panther's ability to put down. It's a fact.
How did he put him down? With what equipment? I love how you talk shit about my scans without posting any yourself, hilarious. So far you have thrown out some abc logic and that seems to be it.
Originally posted by thingy150You think Hawkman one-shotted Shazam there. To troll someone, you need to actually maintain a facade of doubt as to your imbecility. You don't just actually prove yourself to be one.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/12/120679/3916604-3276360-shazamjld23-2.jpg
Originally posted by ODG
^ Yes, I'm sure that Black Dwarf ran away leaving a trail of his own blood because Black Panther just kept dodging him and made Black Dwarf feel sad and clumsy. Clearly unhurt, despite leaving a trail of blood. So putting you hands on someone is supposed to be overpowering? J'onn outright blitzed Shaggy Man through the wall before Shaggy Man was forced to resort to using fire. He put him down by beating the sh1t out of him. And he used whatever equipment was on his person, including his fists. And how is explaining to you what Black Panther achieved talking sh1t? You walk in here with "Hawkman fightzorzzz Aquaman+Wonder Wimminz+Shazamzzz = winzorrz" and I try my best to actually give your bastardization of an argument full credit and I'm using ABC logic? I just pointed out that Black Panther actually beat down someone who took on 4 cosmic Heralds simultaneously. So, no. Hawkman isn't beyond Black Panther's ability to put down. It's a fact. You think Hawkman one-shotted Shazam there. To troll someone, you need to actually maintain a facade of doubt as to your imbecility. You don't just actually prove yourself to be one.
He was bleeding so I am assuming that means he was cut because a person who has taken blows from cosmic beings would not be made to bleed by blunt force from black panther. You know what happens when hawkman gets cut? He heals. Black panther may not even be able to cut him considering he can make nth metal cover his entire body and black panther may not be able to cut the magical metal.
I love your comment considering you do not further yourself at all but you just manage to call me a trol, hawkman has many advantages which are his healing, durability, movement(flight) and armor. He can also send magical fire in all directions if panther hurts him badly.
Hawkman is much more durable and it is still up for question what panther can do to nth metal which can heal itself aswell as its host.
How is me furthering myself with showings any different then you doing the same(except I did not lie like you did when you said panther put black dwarf down)
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111175242/3988761-500px-shaggy_man_pe_01.jpg
Shaggy man threw him around while fighting more then one person.
The most ridiculous thing you have said is that he did not one shot shazam who's eyes are closed and he is falling to the ground like a brick and he was also not seen after this. You denying canon things does not make them any less canon.
How will he put down hawkman?
Originally posted by krisblaze
Black Panther beating Black Dwarf is almost uninmaginable, we'd have to see the actual fight and what happened before we start crediting Black Panther with crazy wins.He obviously beat him really bad, but who knows what happened.
I agree, he had prep and an army and if he had enough time to gather troups he had tech for sure.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17Oh and if you hadn't noticed, on page 2 I did say Hawkman wins. I will add with much difficulty.
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Fair enough 👆 I will only focus on this last sentence of yours, because there's no point in this debate arguing about things when we both largely agree.
However, I got it wrong - multiple times, no less - about Reed helping T'Challa up, so I will admit it here.
Originally posted by ODG
If you read Justice League of America #5 more closely, Hawkman was losing to Shaggy Man pretty steadily. And pretty badly. The JLA ended up defeating him. And as for Blockbuster, Catwoman kicked the sh1t out of him somehow.At least Black Dwarf made a stand against Gladiator, Ronan, Super-Skrull and Annihilus.
In any event, KoTD Black Panther has consistently dealt with blows from class 100s: Namor, Terrax the Enlightened, Black Dwarf. He's even outright defeated a class 100 in Black Dwarf and seemed well on his way to defeating Namor.
He also one-shot Black Swan. Who was way stronger than anybody thought when she gave the entire Illuminati team the business when they confronted/reimprisoned her. She even went on to defeat Doctor Spectrum from the Supreme Power universe during an incursion.
So if we're going by class of opponents, KoTD Black Panther looks to be superior.
Just want to address some points, I see you are currently engaged in a monumental debate against our good friend thingy - truly an epic clash of titans (I hope you aren't too bruised afterwards from the sheer weight of his crafted arguments).
Yes, Hawkman was bleeding/compound fracturing pretty badly, but since then, his healing factor seems to have improved (regrowing limbs etc). And he was hanging. With Blockbuster, whilst you brought up Catwoman, Black Dwarf was getting frustrated against Shang Chi. Yes, I know he had gauntlets etc - and yes, I would place him above Selina - but I'm not sure what your use of Catwoman was meant to prove. In the same comic, Dwarf goes from stalemating with Shang, to hanging with some of the most bloodthirsty heralds in Marvel. These weird inconsistencies happen, and doesn't take away from the original point.
As for the outright defeat of Dwarf, that happened off-panel. Yes, I fully 100% agree - a win is a win. But the circumstances are unknown. I'm not going to add colour to the victory and try to lowball it, but anything could have happened. T'Challa could have just straight up given him a beat down. His arm could have been broken by him tripping over a rock and landing awkwardly - or it could have withstood a full bloodlusted smash from Dwarf's fist, for example.
Originally posted by deathslash
what prep? I thought that black dwarf showed up on their stair steps unanounced and started attacking wakanda.
Hmm, well having time to gather a nation also gives you time to grab any tech you have on you. No matter, it is off panel and for all we know he cut him with vibranium and he got woozy. Or toaa showed up and fudged sh*t up. My point is we do not know how the fight went down.
Hawkman takes this fight in my opinion....
Originally posted by thingy150I'll respect your opinion. But I personally believe that t'challa has the tools, intelligence and skill to take the majority.
Hmm, well having time to gather a nation also gives you time to grab any tech you have on you. No matter, it is off panel and for all we know he cut him with vibranium and he got woozy. Or toaa showed up and fudged sh*t up. My point is we do not know how the fight went down.Hawkman takes this fight in my opinion....
