Originally posted by Damborgson
Feats like that shouldn't be worried about too much either to be honest. It's a great feat for a feat competition, something that was much needed for DB characters, but it's high end just like the big hitter's feats are.
Actually it should be worried about when you have certain posters coming on here and claiming that both Beerus and Goku are Universe busters.
Originally posted by SquallX
Can Goku and Beerus casually destroys the Earth single handedly? Yes of course they can. No more proof is needed.But, the second we start saying there Universe destroyers by ignoring context, then somethings wrong.
Fact of the matter is, Goku's and Beerus punches needed to gained momentum via a wave to become Universal. The two of them didn't just punch and the Universe started collapsing. There Universal threat took both time and extennal forces to achieved that level.
Cry a river. They have universal strength. Prime gets killed here. The guy was having problems with Superboy and Goku would one punch kill Superboy. Get out of your feelings.
Originally posted by SquallX
Actually it should be worried about when you have certain posters coming on here and claiming that both Beerus and Goku are Universe busters.
Well, considering Beerus was only using a whopping 5% of his power tops, I'm willing to bet he doesn't exactly need Goku's help.
And he's been stated to be capable of destroying the universe himself by the Kai's.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Well, considering Beerus was only using a whopping 5% of his power tops, I'm willing to bet he doesn't exactly need Goku's help.And he's been stated to be capable of destroying the universe himself by the Kai's.
Pretty sure he was using close to 70% of hi powers, not 5.
Just because a third party said something without any evidence, doesn't mean it's true
3rd parties have claimed Bruce to be the greatest detective on Earth, we ire as hell knows it isn't true.
As for you carver, be man enough and actually debate against me in a Prime vs Beerus thread then.
Originally posted by SquallX
Pretty sure he was using close to 70% of hi powers, not 5.Just because a third party said something without any evidence, doesn't mean it's true.
Good thing that's not the case here. Goku as of the RoF arc already transcended his BoG PL, and he's trained against Vegeta for three straight years following that. Now he's learned to multiply that power by a factor of 10.
And he's still no match for the Gods of Destruction. 5%, and that's assuming Goku is somewhat close to Beerus currently. Could very well be less.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Good thing that's not the case here. Goku as of the RoF arc already transcended his BoG PL, and he's trained against Vegeta for three straight years following that. Now he's learned to multiply that power by a factor of 10.And he's still no match for the Gods of Destruction. 5%, and that's assuming Goku is somewhat close to Beerus currently. Could very well be less.
Are you talking about that fight with Beerus in the Momoka suit? If so, I thought the hardcore fans called that episode filler.
Originally posted by SquallX
Are you talking about that fight with Beerus in the Momoka suit? If so, I thought the hardcore fans called that episode filler.
I'm not a hardcore fan by any means, and you can't exactly call the source material filler just because it's goofy...
Besides, I wasn't even referring to that, although it does support my point. I was referring to the fight in Battle of the Gods.
As senseless as it may be, in BoG, SSJG wasn't that much stronger than post-God SSJ; both Beerus and Goku agreed that there wasn't a noticeable drop in power after the timer ran out, and the fight continued to proceed at a universe-threatening level.
Then in the months preceding RoF, Goku continues to train with Whis and makes significant gains in controlling his godly power, unlocking SSJB; an evolution that far surpassed his SSJ state, and was said more than once to be superior to the unstable SSJG.
In other words, SSB>SSG>/=SSJ was established just in the movies and adaptations. Then, Goku and Vegeta trained for three years in the hyperbolic time chamber; while Vegeta initially believed that they wouldn't see gains, after the fact he said that they definitely became stronger. Post-ROSAT SSB > SSB > SSG.
Now, Goku has recently revealed that because of his training with Whis and the controlled nature of SSB, he can perform Kaio-Ken simultaneously with the transformation. Since he can ramp up the multiplier to x10, ridiculous as it sounds, he can reach a level now where he's capable of completely and utterly stomping an ordinary SSB.
In other words...
SSB KKx10 >>> SSB KKx2 >> post-ROSAT SSB > SSB > SSG
Goku as he is now would absolutely wreck his BoG self with ease, and he's still weaker than Beerus and Champa. Which means that in their battle, Beerus was definitely still holding back in a massive way.
Originally posted by SquallX
Can Goku and Beerus casually destroys the Earth single handedly? Yes of course they can. No more proof is needed.But, the second we start saying there Universe destroyers by ignoring context, then somethings wrong.
Fact of the matter is, Goku's and Beerus punches needed to gained momentum via a wave to become Universal. The two of them didn't just punch and the Universe started collapsing. There Universal threat took both time and extennal forces to achieved that level.
You might as well be saying, "Well if they needed a ki blast to blow up the universe, then they clearly couldn't destroy the universe, since it would take time for the explosion to destroy the universe". You're not making any sense. If Goku and Beerus caused pressure waves from the sheer force of their punches, which could destroy the universe, then THEY CAN DESTROY THE UNIVERSE WITH A PUNCH. How are you not getting this?
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Lol, Prime actually destroyed a Universe, unlike Beerus and Goku. He also survived an Universal explosion point blank, tanked Antimatter with ease, hurt the AM, changed the center of the Universe with his bare hands, strength and speed. He wins.
1. No he didn't. He ripped open the Monarch's armor, and just barely managed to survive, thanks the quantum energies he absorbed from the Guardian of Oa.
2. Prime did NOT "tank antimatter with ease". He survived a blast from a SEVERELY weakened and battered anti-monitor, which was so devastating that even Kal-L thought Prime should have died.
3. Uh, yeah, I guess he hurt the anti-monitor. But you're stretching that feat pretty far, considering the anti-monitor had been weakened from literally fighting against every superhero on Earth.
4. He only changed the center of the universe by moving planets around. Not impressive at all, compared to nearly busting the universe with a punch.
5. Speed, strength, durability, destructive capacity, all of them go to the side of DBS. Even the anti-monitor couldn't take down Goku or Beerus anymore.