Exposing fanon hype of characters

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Exposing fanon hype of characters

This thread is intended to critically evaluate the unrealistic hype surrounding Caedus and Luke and how fans of both have contributed to the hype.

Darth Caedus

Not long ago, a fellow member (AncientPower) hyped Caedus by asserting that he stomped a Jedi Strike Team in a confrontation:

Originally posted by AncientPower
Darth Caedus was ambushed by Battle Master Katarn's team and he still effortlessly Force stomped them.

Now, let us examine the actual details of this so-called stomp of Caedus:

The sky above lit up as though noon had come more than six hours early worse, for the brightness surpassed that of high noon. Troopers all around him cried out, threw their arms over their eyes. The visors of their helmets could not darken fast enough to protect their wearers from these dazzle grenades.

Caedus cursed. His assumption that the falling missiles were explosives, that he had a second before they reached him, had just cost him his support troops. But he, at least, could see.

Out in the darkness, the rolling grenades exploded with moist crump noises. Gas grenades, then. Coma gas? Stun gas? The breeze was from behind him. The gas would nor reach him or his troops.

Finally he detected more than just telekinetic pushes; he felt presences as his enemies drew on Force abilities. He felt them rush toward him, caught sight of them as they entered the glow of lights from the front of the Senate Building-four Jedi, Master Kyle Katarn foremost among them.

Katarn ignited his lightsaber as he came to a stop a few meters away. "Care to surrender, Colonel Solo?"

"Not to a traitor." Caedus looked at the other three as their Force-augmented sprints came to an end, leaving them in a semicircle before him. Three Jedi Knights: the younger Horn, the Falleen Mithric, the Bothan Hu'lya. He resisted the urge to snort. Separately or collectively, these Jedi Knights were no match for him.

Katarn, though, was a threat. Still, the Jedi had only moments before GA reinforcements would arrive. Their attack was already a failure.

He sensed Katarn's attack, threw up his blade in a block so well practiced that his muscle memory could have performed it while he slept.

With his free hand, he gestured at the Bothan Jedi. She was suddenly airborne, hurtling sideways to slam into the Falleen, knocking them both down.

Katarn's blade struck his, rebounded with a snap-hiss. and came around from the other side as the Jedi Master executed a lightning-fast spin. Caedus stepped back from it. not engaging the blade. He watched the blade flash harmlessly past him.

He stepped forward again into a side kick, aimed not at Katarn but at the onrushing Valin Horn. His boot heel caught the Jedi Knight on the point of his chin, knocking Horn backward off his feet. Two seconds had passed since the attack began.

***

Only Seha's head protruded from the pavement hatch as she watched her four companions assault Colonel Solo.

In one sense, it was a beautiful and brilliant thing to see. The five combatants moved as though they'd been choreographing this event for years and had planned, all along, that the two sides would somehow be even. Each time the lightsabers came together, the resulting flash of light, slightly greater than two glows by themselves, cast the five combatants into relief. Around them, blinded GAG troopers withdrew, finding one another by touch, keeping their blasters up and at the ready, waiting for the moment when their sight would return and allow them to open fire. Above, though at a distance from the Senate Building, the trails of airspeeder lights glimmered in their passage.

And Seha still had one task to perform.

In her free hand she held a patch of black cloth. It was square, five centimeters to a side, and very soft and pliant, despite the fact that its center layer consisted of circuitry embedded in a flexible polymer.

One side was covered by a transparent layer of flimsi. With her teeth, she worried an edge of the flimsi free, then pulled the whole layer off, dropping it into the access hole she occupied. The removal of the flimsi exposed a layer of adhesive.

With her own Force powers, so much less subtle than those of her allies, she sent the cloth patch flying, centimeters above ground level, toward the fight.

But she couldn't send it on to her target, not yet. Master Katarn had been clear about that. She had to wait until things were at their most chaotic, their most distracting.

So she guided the patch ever closer to the fight, but waited, waited...

***

Ten seconds.

Caedus rolled out of Katarn's kick to his head, catching a scrape along hischeek, and swung at the Master's leg, but Kolir's blade intercepted his before it bit into flesh. His strength batted her weapon away, but she had deflected his blow and spared Katarn an amputation.

They're coordinating. Good for them. Bad for me.

Caedus heard a siren-an oncoming GAG vehicle. No, two-maybe three.

He allowed himself a certain satisfaction at their speed of response. He hadn't expected anything of the sort for another half minute.

Then, from the corner of his eye, he saw the first oncoming vehicle, an aging Sentinel-class armored shuttle. It was yellow, with spots of rust. He could not make out its markings without looking at it, but he knew it was not in GAG or Alliance colors. Entering airspace above the plaza, it began a dangerously steep and fast repulsorlift descent.

Behind it came three GAG airspeeders, one of them firing a top-mounted laser at the shuttle.

Ah. So they were not responding with brilliant speed to an alarm.

They were chasing the Jedi escape vehicle. Caedus swung at Horn, a blow meant not to connect but to cause the young Jedi to flinch away into the path of the Falleen, which he did. While they were interfering with each other, Caedus gestured at the Bothan Jedi, hurling her toward Katarn.

Katarn hurled his lightsaber off to the side and caught Hu'lya with both hands, preventing her from falling, prepared to pull her out of harm's way if Caedus followed through.

Caedus did not. He kept his senses on Katarn's light-saber, and, when it vectored to fly toward him from the side, he negligently swatted it away with his own blade.

Fifteen seconds.

Caedus gave Katarn and Hu'lya a little smile. "You could save yourselves a lot of pain by telling me now where Luke has set up the new Jedi headquarters. I swear, when you are in my hands, you will answer that question."

The Bothan got her feet back under her and stood at the ready.

Katarn caught his returning lightsaber. "Meaning you will torture us to death. Are you listening to yourself, Jacen? Do you even know who you are anymore?"

"I do. It's you who have no idea who I am."

He felt Force energy growing within Mithric and Horn. He gestured, telekinetically yanking the Bothan forward, positioning her between him and them. He felt their Force exertion as it was suddenly cut off.

Katarn advanced, lightsaber at the ready. Caedus withdrew before him. With part of his awareness, he was keeping track of the four inbound vehicles, plotting their trajectories. . .

One of the GAG vehicles was circling ahead and to starboard of the descending shuttle. Its arc, intended to put it toward the bow of the shuttle so it could fire on the cockpit, would bring it near the combatants, just a few meters above them. The pilot's maneuver was smooth, the vehicle clearly under control. Caedus could see the Jedi barely registering its presence, since it did not figure into the combat.

Caedus reached out a hand as if intending to hurl Katarn away from him. The Master raised his own hand, a deflecting gesture. But Caedus exerted himself against the oncom-ing GAG speeder, yanking it down and toward all of them.

A moment's inattention or focus elsewhere. That's all it ever took.

By the time Katarn felt the speeder coming toward him-spinning, its stern a mere two meters from his back-it was already too late for him to send a command even to Force-augmented nerves and muscles. His face changed with the awareness of danger.

Then the speeder's port quarter hit his back, hurling him forward to slam into Caedus. The speeder, continuing its out-of-control motion, slid through the location of the other Jedi, knocking Hu'lya to the permacrete, causing Horn and Mithric to leap to safety.

Katarn now stood so close to Caedus that every facial feature was visible, every scar and line in his weathered face, every hair on his brow, mustache, and beard.

Caedus felt a rush of satisfaction, enjoyment, as Katarn's expression turned from one of surprise to pain. Katarn looked down to see Caedus's lightsaber buried to its hilt in his chest.

A noise, something halfway between a groan and a death rattle, emerged from Katarn's lips. Smiling, Caedus yanked his lightsaber free and let the stricken Jedi Master fall face-first on the pavement.

Chapter 11

Seha felt all breath leave her body, as though it had been her chest, not Katarn's, that had been pierced. Jacen Solo's exultation washed through the Force and over her like a wave at a beach, almost knocking her free from the rung she held.

No, no, no. ... The words rang in her head and were echoed by Mithric. The Falleen Jedi howled as he charged Solo, his anguish giving him speed and strength as he threw blow after blow at his enemy.

Things were at their most chaotic.

The words sprang up in her mind, incongruous, like golden flowers in a burned field-and her last task, the one Master Katarn had given her, was not accomplished.

She focused herself on the distant black patch. It was now only three meters from where Colonel Solo disinterestedly blocked Mithric's attacks.

Valin Horn was charging toward the combat. Kolir was up, too, but limping badly as she headed toward their enemy. The shuttle was just meters above the plaza, settling precisely into place so that its belly hatch was positioned exactly above the access hole through which Kolir had emerged. Laserfire from the GAG speeders was raking the shuttle's top armor to pieces.

Seha's vision blurred with tears. She dashed them away and flicked a hand at the distant patch. As Colonel Solo twirled, causing his cloak to flare up and away from him, the patch flew to its lower hem and merged with it.

Now the three Jedi Knights assailed Solo all-out, a fight they were doomed to lose. Seha could not save them. Her tasks were accomplished.

She should leave before Colonel Solo detected her.

No, she couldn't. Not while a good man, a teacher, lay dead on the duracrete in an enemy capital. She reached out to Kyle Katarn.

His body jerked and he slid a meter toward her.

She poured more of herself, of her concentration, into her effort.

Master Katarn's body began sliding again, continuously now, picking up speed as it scraped its way across the plaza.

One of the GAG troopers fired his blaster at Mithric. Kolir, hobbling, managed to get her lightsaber blade up and caught the bolt.

But it meant the troopers' vision was returning.

Seha saw the Jedi exchanging words. Valin spun away from the
engagement with Jacen and moved toward the one sighted trooper. That man fired again and Valin deflected the bolt with his lightsaber-deflected it straight toward Jacen. The improvised attack evidently came as a surprise: The bolt grazed Jacen's right leg, sending him to his knee.

Mithric redoubled his attack, hammering away at Jacen's defense like a toolsmith on a primitive world battering away at a stubborn harvester droid.

Kolir, bent over from distress more than pain, hesitated, then turned and moved at a fast hobble toward the shuttle.

Seha pulled one last time and Master Katarn, shoulders-first, slid into her grasp.

Katarn's eyes opened. His voice was little more than a wheeze. "Go
..."

"You're alive!"

"Explosives package. ... give me one. ... other one to block exit..."

Seha hauled him into the access hole, lowering him facedown, wincing as the movements made him gasp with pain. "I'll blow up our exit route, yes.

We'll all get out."

"Girl, leave me ..."

She had to rely on her telekinetic power to lower him to the floor.

Her skill was not the greatest. She lowered him four meters without incident, rotated him so that for the last portion of the descent he would be supine ... and then, not meaning to, she dropped him. He fell two meters and slammed down onto duracrete flooring. He grunted and his eyes closed.

Seha yanked the hatch shut. She took a few moments to patch one of her explosives charges into the holocam goggles she would be leaving behind.

Then she scrambled down the ladder. "I'm going to get you out alive. Or we can blow up together."

***

Caedus hadn't felt the blaster bolt coming. His concentration was slipping.

And this madman of a Falleen Jedi was starting to beat down his parries. His strength was slipping.

He wasn't yet recovered from his duel with Luke. And now, as more of his troopers began firing, Horn began deflecting more bolts at him.

The imprecise, barely aimed nature of the attacks worked in Horn's favor.

The shots were unpredictable and Caedus had to divide his attention between a mad swordsman and a growing number of half-blind snipers.

But he was still the best lightsaber swordsman around-excepting possibly Luke, perhaps the best there ever had been.

Caedus waited until the timing was perfect, waited until an incoming bolt arrived at the same moment as one of Mithric's attacks so he could devote a single maneuver to both. He caught Mithric's blow toward the hilt of his lightsaber. He caught the bolt near the tip, deflecting it up and straight into Mithric's chest.

Mithric staggered back, the center of his chest blackened, as the smell of burned skin and meat filled the air. Caedus leapt up and executed a single, precise lateral blow.

Mithric's head fell from his shoulders. His body toppled down half a second later.

Caedus and Horn spun to face each other. An expression of sadness crossed Horn's face, but his dismay did not distract him. He caught three more blaster bolts with his lightsaber blade without looking at their firers.

Caedus gestured toward his troopers, signaling them to cease fire.

They did; now the only ranged fire to be heard came from the speeders, still chewing the shuttle to pieces.

Caedus flexed his injured leg experimentally and decided it was not too bad. It would take his weight and allow him some footwork. He gestured toward Horn. "You going to try this alone?"

Horn shook his head.

Caedus smiled. "You're a fraction of the man your father is."

"Funny. That's what I was going to say to you." Horn seemed to blur as he dashed toward the shuttle, his sprinting speed augmented by the Force.

"Don't be an idiot! That thing will never take off again."
Caedus left off his harangue as Horn ran up the side ramp where the Bothan had disappeared moments before.
No matter. The shuttle would not take off; Horn or Hu'lya, or both, would be captured, and after a lengthy enough interrogation, Caedus would know where Luke and the Jedi were now hiding.

He bent over to pick up Mithric's head by its ponytail. The Falleen's eyes were still open, staring forward, eerily lifelike, but his skin color had gone to gray. Caedus dropped the head and looked around.

Where was Katarn?

From (Star Wars: Legacy of the Force: Fury)

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Observations:

1. Their is no stomp here. The confrontation spanned a decent duration.

2. Caedus did not demonstrate significant advantage over the Jedi, he did use his powers frequently but he gained advantage by concentrating on the surroundings. A GAG airspeeder came close to the scene of the duel and Caedus pulled it down towards the Jedi. None of the Jedi demonstrated the power to stop the speeder and it struck two including Katarn wounding both while the remaining two dived for safety.

3. Katarn fell on Caedus after getting hit by the speeder, ending-up impaled by the Sith Lord in this manner. He was now effectively neutralized.

4. The remaining 3 Jedi attempted to subdue Caedus but is already pointed that they were outclassed by Caeedus. However, during this development, Caedus's troops started firing on the Jedi as well, putting additional pressure on them besides the Sith Lord.

5. One Jedi managed to direct one of the bolts towards Caedus, injuring the Sith Lord. The latter returned the favor by doing the same against a Jedi and decapitated him afterwards.

6. Two Jedi were now left but found themselves outmatched by overwhelming odds and decided to flee.

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REMARKS: I didn't see any exchange of super-powers in this confrontation. The feat which I found impressive was of pulling down of an airspeeder.

Here is an example of an airspeeder:

Nothing extraordinary though. But this single development changed the dynamics of the confrontation.

Not long ago, a fellow member (AncientPower) hyped Caedus by asserting that Caedus is far more powerful then Vader:

Originally posted by AncientPower
Caedus has displayed far greater esoteric knowledge than even Luke Skywalker and is already stated to be much more powerful than Darth Vader.

Now, let us examine the actual accolades of the referred character:

But can even the Sword of the Jedi bring down one of the most powerful Sith Lords of all time?*

*This statement is on the back-cover of Star Wars: Legacy of the Force: Invincible. Therefore, this is a marketing accolade.

For Caedus is a scion of both the Skywalker and Solo bloodlines whose command of the Force surpasses even that of his grandfather Darth Vader.*

*Now, this is from the internal summary of the book and it reveals that Caedus have superior understanding of the Force then Darth Vader.

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Observations:

1. Caedus have been promoted as one of the most powerful Sith Lords in history in marketing of a book.

2. Caedus have superior understanding of the Force then Vader.

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REMARKS: Not a single statement or available evidence indicates that Caedus is far more powerful then Vader. This is a strictly fanon twist of the official hype.

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CONCLUSION:

Their are lot of other gems from this member, he commonly misrepresents available information. Another reminder:

Originally posted by AncientPower
Infact as soon as the Jedi saw what happened to Katarn they all but gave up.

So beware when taking him seriously in the future, do not trust him blindly.

I am sorry (AncientPower), you left me with no choice but to expose you. I warned you to stop misrepresenting information several times earlier but you did not heed my advice and you chose to act rude in response.

So be it.

Now, let us examine a part of Caedus's confrontation with Mara:

Jacen's boots crunched over bricks. He was impatient. She was in his way, holding him up when he wanted to get on with something.

Crunch . . . crunch . . . crunch.

If she'd timed it right, he was close to stepping on that rusty plate.

Clang. . .

The rumbling began. She brought down both sections of tunnel, before and behind, with a massive exertion in the Force that made her breathless. She didn't hear him call out. Even in the damp conditions, clouds of fine debris filled the air and made her choke.

Mara waited, one hand over her mouth and nose, shoto drawn, and listened in the Force.

There was whimpering and the chunk-chunk sound of the last falling bricks. She didn't expect that weight of debris from a low ceiling to cause impact injury, but to engulf and immobilize him. He wouldn't be dead—yet.

She waited in silence, a nonexistent presence herself, until she could hear no more movement.

Okay. Let's see what I have to do to end this.

An arm was all that protruded from the rubble. Through a fist-sized gap, she could see the wet, blinking glint of an eye and bloodstained face. A hand reached out to her, fingers splayed, bloody and shaking.

Other people might have felt an urge to take that hand, the most
distinctively human of things, but it was an old, tired Sith stunt, and she'd used it herself too many times.

She took her blaster and leveled it at the eye, one-handed, forefinger resting on the trigger. She had the shoto ready in case a coup de grace was called for.

She felt as detached and steady as she'd ever been as the Emperor's Hand.

"Tell my mom I'm sorry I failed her," Jacen whispered.

"She knows," Mara said, and squeezed the trigger.

chapter twenty-one

Nu kyr'adyc, shi taab'echaaj'la.

Not gone, merely marching far away.

—Mandalorian phrase for the departed

KAVAN

They said that the human body was capable of extraordinary feats of strength when in extremis. For a Jedi, it was something else entirely.

Jacen Solo wasn't ready to die, not now, not so close to his ascendance, and not in a stinking drain like vermin.

He deflected the energy bolt with one last surge of the Force and sent the rubble erupting off his crushed and bleeding body like a detonation. Bricks hammered the walls and rained fragments, knocking Mara flat like a bomb blast. She made an animal noise that was more anger than pain and flailed
for a moment as she tried to get up.

The effort froze Jacen for two vital seconds. But he knew if he didn't get up now and fight back, Mara would come in for the kill, again and again, until he was worn down and too weak to fend her off.

He scrambled to his feet, staggering more than standing, and suddenly understood.

It was Mara who had to die to fulfill his destiny.

Killing her was the test: the words of the prophecy were meaningless, and at a visceral level he knew that her death was the pivotal act. He didn't know how, and this wasn't the time to stop and think about it. He surrendered totally to instinct for the first time in ages. Whatever guided a Sith's hand had to guide him now.

But he was hurt, and badly.

From (Star Wars: Legacy of the Force: Sacrifice)

Observations:

1. Caedus found himself on the receiving end during the opening moments of this confrontation. Mara succeeded at trapping Jacen beneath some debris of a section of the cave with full exertion on her part.

2. Caedus failed to prevent heavy debris from nearly crushing him beneath and was badly injured.

3. Caedus did summon strength to blast away the debris covering him and free himself but his fitness had been compromised and the confrontation ended-up in a brawl.

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REMARKS: Caedus's feat of blasting away some debris nearly crushing him beneath in wounded condition is really impressive but this is also not an extraordinary development in the mythos. I have seen better.

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Their is another hype surrounding Caedus, that he briefly transformed in to the most powerful manifestation on record. I would like to clarify that this is according to a Jedi Historian Tionne Solusar, and she is fallible just like any character.

Indeed, every oneness related development is not likely to be recorded because some of them may occur during most unsuspecting circumstances such as that of Darth Malgus which occurred after death of Eleena Daru and left a permanent impact on his Force abilities.

Oh Christ

What is this, a Revan supporter calling out members I don't like in topics dedicated specifically for making fun of people? Marry me, LeGenD.

You know.... some people just make mistakes when they're debating, it happens to the best of us. Doing this is.... for a lack of a Better word, douchey.
Quotes get mixed up, sources are forgotten. It's natural and this was just unnecessary and borderline childish. Just my two cents.

Whoever will continue to misrepresent official information after advice to the contrary, will risk ending-up exposed in this thread.

If we are to have a rational debate about various topics and characters, we should differentiate FANON from FACTS and reform our debating tactics. The drama of fraudsters and fabricators will not flourish.

One of the most notorious character wankers on the internet attempting to expose the wankery of others is remarkably ironic.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
You know.... some people just make mistakes when they're debating, it happens to the best of us. Doing this is.... for a lack of a Better word, douchey.
Quotes get mixed up, sources are forgotten. It's natural and this was just unnecessary and borderline childish. Just my two cents.

I am aware of this, I have no personal feud with anybody in this forum. But some members are too thick to take an advice seriously and misbehave.

I warned member (AncientPower) repeatedly to double-check his statements before presenting them because he runs the risk of misguiding people in this manner, he did not listen.

This thread contains ample proof: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f86/t606807.html

However, look at his behavior towards me in this thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=607149&pagenumber=5#post15033282

If he wants to play it rough, so be it.

But his fabrications will be exposed and he will be scrutinized for them.

Originally posted by ILS
One of the most notorious character wankers on the internet attempting to expose the wankery of others is remarkably ironic.

My wanks are substantiated and supported.

I do not fabricate or misrepresent information.

Understand?

Saying that Kao Cen Darach is a top or even second top tier duelist is what I would call "misrepresenting information"

Originally posted by ILS
Saying that Kao Cen Darach is a top or even second top tier duelist is what I would call "misrepresenting information"

It is not misrepresentation. Their is visual evidence of Darach performing some of the most technically sound and sophisticated dueling maneuvers ever witnessed in Star Wars mediums.

Large image: http://www.swtor.com/sites/all/files/en/wp/wp_return01_1920x1080.jpg

People can watch Return cinematic itself:

YouTube video

So when are you going to expose the Vitiate fanboys? He is easily the most overhyped character on the forums currently.

S W LeGenD - consider yourself exposed.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
You know.... some people just make mistakes when they're debating, it happens to the best of us. Doing this is.... for a lack of a Better word, douchey.
Quotes get mixed up, sources are forgotten. It's natural and this was just unnecessary and borderline childish. Just my two cents.

Nah, that's just you.

Originally posted by ILS
S W LeGenD - consider yourself exposed.

Go ahead, I have answer for every shit that you can come up with.

Also, why are you so butthurt? Are you a sock of (AncientPower)?

lul

Legend laying down the law.

Do Jaina next. Go for the set!

Nah, he just revealing his butthurt about a certain poster.