Re: Exposing fanon hype of characters
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq5X3F3g69c&t=9m19s
This thread is intended to critically evaluate the unrealistic hype surrounding Caedus and Luke and how fans of both have contributed to the hype.
Originally posted by Selenial
So you believe that you are never allowed to theorize something that is not expressly written in text? Because there are many things stated that support this theory, it's just never said exactly. These things include:- The Exile being weakened on Natheema. This is a given. People however say she recovered afterwards before arriving on Kaas, however the exile actually felt relieved to feel the nexus of Dark Energy on Kaas, so she quite clearly was not fully recovered.
- Jedi in later life have had trouble drawing on the force on Kaas.
- She is no-where near her Kotor 2 incarnation in power.
- Drew himself states the theory is viable.So...?
You have a screen cap or quote of this statement? :hmm
I posted the screencaps a while ago, but I dont have the ability to do it now.
It was during an email correspondence, I asked him specifically about the Nexuses and stuff, and he said he doesn't like to confirm or deny his works, that he left it ambiguous on purpose because he likes that his fans are free to form interpretations and viewpoints however they see fit, but that there was nothing in the novel that went against my point of view...
I'll try screencap it next time I get the chance, or you can go hunting for the pics I posted eons ago.
No rush, was just curious
Sounds like what he said in his email to me when I asked about some of the specifics about feats in Revan and Bane
Kind of annoying I have to bullshit how far away Zannah was from the epicenter of the Force Storm on Ruusan, but I can live with speculative low ends like 20-100 km out from such and such context :hmm
Realistically, she shouldnt've lasted any longer than Kyle did. Its a pretty oddball showing that she could hold her own against 2nd most powerful duelist of his era, not saying she is bad or anything. But Caedus is probably the 3rd best duelist in the mythos, and she in terms of feats in truth isn't all that better than Katarn
This entire thread made my day, the most overly biased Star Wars debater i have ever met is trying to call out the bias of others because of little more than a generalisation of a fight.
I gave debated strongly for some characters but only because of either lack of information on said characters being used or because they get routinely low-balled. However i only ever put them on a tier their hype matched with accolades deserves.
Mr.LeGenD however, you take every single generic TOR statement, spam them like a hacked Facebook account and routinely shove it down everyone's throats and expect that you'll get a positive result for it.
Ant66 wanks Revan with pride but he only does so tactfully and with genuinely concrete statements. You would do well to heed his example, whilst he may have a clear superiority complex he is a very well informed debater and knows when to stop it.
I have seen your influence on other forums LeGenD, including even on Wookieepedia and every single time the only thing you've accomplished is turning neutrral opinions into negative ones. I personally place Vitiate on the same tier as Caedus and Plagueis, above Exar Kun and just below Darth Sidious. A perfectly reasonable placement.
For you however this is insufficient, if Vitiate isn't praised literally like a god then we're all uneducated and misinformed ingrates with the intellectual capacity of a two pence coin.
This is an excercise of endless futility, i advise that you stop lowballing Luke Skywalker, Darth Sidious, Darth Caedus and every other character worth his salt from all other eras. Then stop ranking Vitiate and every other TOR character with generic hype amongst the Ones.
After you do that, you might stop being an afternoon tea topic of comedic value on every Star Wars forum that knows your name.
Shouldn't is one thing. Mara is more or less Batman. It often doesn't matter if she's outgunned, she comes up with wins nobody would ever expect her to get. Strength in the Force isn't everything. Strength as a duelist isn't everything either. She is one of the best examples of that ever. If she was an idiot and tried to fight like Katarn did, she would've met the same fate. However, she's NOT an idiot, and uses the power she has so much more effectively then he ever did, and so almost got Caedus.
Caedus himself had to get her with a cheap trick.
Originally posted by AncientPower
This entire thread made my day, the most overly biased Star Wars debater i have ever met is trying to call out the bias of others because of little more than a generalisation of a fight.I gave debated strongly for some characters but only because of either lack of information on said characters being used or because they get routinely low-balled. However i only ever put them on a tier their hype matched with accolades deserves.
Mr.LeGenD however, you take every single generic TOR statement, spam them like a hacked Facebook account and routinely shove it down everyone's throats and expect that you'll get a positive result for it.
Ant66 wanks Revan with pride but he only does so tactfully and with genuinely concrete statements. You would do well to heed his example, whilst he may have a clear superiority complex he is a very well informed debater and knows when to stop it.
I have seen your influence on other forums LeGenD, including even on Wookieepedia and every single time the only thing you've accomplished is turning neutrral opinions into negative ones. I personally place Vitiate on the same tier as Caedus and Plagueis, above Exar Kun and just below Darth Sidious. A perfectly reasonable placement.
For you however this is insufficient, if Vitiate isn't praised literally like a god then we're all uneducated and misinformed ingrates with the intellectual capacity of a two pence coin.
This is an excercise of endless futility, i advise that you stop lowballing Luke Skywalker, Darth Sidious, Darth Caedus and every other character worth his salt from all other eras. Then stop ranking Vitiate and every other TOR character with generic hype amongst the Ones.
After you do that, you might stop being an afternoon tea topic of comedic value on every Star Wars forum that knows your name.
Also, I have first hand experience with what goes on in Wookieepedia. A few have literally hijacked that platform and want to represent every article in the manner as they deem fit. Once an article reaches Featured status there, other contributors are not permitted to edit that article anymore barring the contributor who nominated the article for such a rank. Not just this, I found some of my constructive edits omitted by those few influential contributors since an exchange in the talk pages with them. After this, wookieepedia lost credibility for me. This is the inner state of this revered platform.
Their are biased people everywhere, you will be hard-pressed to find fans who are not biased in some way. Also, the reason that I get more publicity in this respect is because I have exploratory views and that I challenge some of the old FANON dictums about the lore. People have commonly asserted that George Lucas have personally stated that Sidious is the most powerful Sith Lord and Luke is the most powerful Jedi, in the official SWTOR forums and I put an end to this fabrication there. Yes, I am fixing stuff, and some fans are butthurt that I crashed their GL hype train of the referred characters.
And I will fix your nonsense as well. This thread will serve the purpose.
I fabricated nothing, I said that Caedus and Plagueis have defeated strike teams of Jedi or even more, stomping them with Force prowess.
Caedus used the Force to repeatedly dominate his opponents in their battle.
Plagueis completely tore to pieces Maladian Assassins with his telekinetic prowess, to a degree that investigators believed an explosion had occurred.
He along with Sidious killing an army of warriors due to speed. Not to mention Plagueis himself defeating Venamis, a superior duelist in a duel due to Force Augmentation.
Your attempts to 'expose' me are asinine and imbecilic at the very best, I generalised a victory by Darth Caedus over a team of powerful Jedi, including Battlemaster Kyle Katarn.
You are futility personified, you have fabricated an argument out of semantics.I am not here to indulge your futile need to wank TOR era characters needlessly.
I will however indulge your ability to mount a self-inflicted showcase of embarrassment for yourself, if you insist upon it.
Originally posted by AncientPower
I fabricated nothing, I said that Caedus and Plagueis have defeated strike teams of Jedi or even more, stomping them with Force prowess.Caedus used the Force to repeatedly dominate his opponents in their battle.
Plagueis completely tore to pieces Maladian Assassins with his telekinetic prowess, to a degree that investigators believed an explosion had occurred.
He along with Sidious killing an army of warriors due to speed. Not to mention Plagueis himself defeating Venamis, a superior duelist in a duel due to Force Augmentation.
Your attempts to 'expose' me are asinine and imbecilic at the very best, I generalised a victory by Darth Caedus over a team of powerful Jedi, including Battlemaster Kyle Katarn.
You are futility personified, you have fabricated an argument out of semantics.I am not here to indulge your futile need to wank TOR era characters needlessly.
I will however indulge your ability to mount a self-inflicted showcase of embarrassment for yourself, if you insist upon it.
Also, Plagueis is not in focus in this discussion.
You clearly have no comprehension of English if you are making baseless claims. I have only claimed that Caedus stomped a strike team and so did Plagueis.
They both dominated their opponents and you have argued nothing but semantics. Continue to personally harass and attack me, please give me more reasons to have you banned from KMC.
Cease your foolish crusade whilst you still have the capability to post, you're utterly making a fool of yourself by the post.
Your accusations and logic is thoroughly dismantled and proven baseless. Please return when you have been hyped in encyclopedic medium and have full understanding of ground realities of the mythos.
'Fabrications' I would go and learn the meaning of the word through one of your encyclopedic mediums before accusing me with baseless 'evidence'.
All I have done is summarise Caedus' thorough defeat of Katarn and his allies and you are calling me a liar and fabricator for not meeting your personal definition of a stomp.
You are the most ludicrous debater I've ever had the displeasure of conversing with, if you aren't a troll then I'd be surprised.
So far in this thread you've accused me of doing something I didn't do because I haven't met your own definition of a forum term. Beyond that everyone who rightly ridiculed you for doing so, you hypocritically called trolls and claimed extreme bias. Something you continuously display outright in every argument you make.
Oh and these aren't threats, it's simply a warning of the repercussions of breaking forum rules.
Originally posted by AncientPower
'Fabrications' I would go and learn the meaning of the word through one of your encyclopedic mediums before accusing me with baseless 'evidence'.All I have done is summarise Caedus' thorough defeat of Katarn and his allies and you are calling me a liar and fabricator for not meeting your personal definition of a stomp.
You are the most ludicrous debater I've ever had the displeasure of conversing with, if you aren't a troll then I'd be surprised.
So far in this thread you've accused me of doing something I didn't do because I haven't met your own definition of a forum term. Beyond that everyone who rightly ridiculed you for doing so, you hypocritically called trolls and claimed extreme bias. Something you continuously display outright in every argument you make.
Oh and these aren't threats, it's simply a warning of the repercussions of breaking forum rules.
"Invent (something) in order to deceive."
This is an example of fabrication:
Originally posted by AncientPower
Battle Meditation from Worror was diminished because the nexus itself was of the Dark Side, I shouldn't need to tell you what that does to a light sider.
And this is an example of misrepresentation:
Originally posted by AncientPower
Caedus has displayed far greater esoteric knowledge than even Luke Skywalker and is already stated to be much more powerful than Darth Vader.
This issue came up in another thread (for reference: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f86/t606807.html)
In the same thread, I advised you to make a habit of rechecking sources before you present statements. You did not heed my advice then and you continue to repeat the same mistake again and again. You had been cautioned earlier, now you have no excuse to pretend that I am harassing you.
I am trying to make you see your errors but you are overlooking the issue and labeling me imbecile because your ego is too large. You don't have any moral ground to stand upon in this matter.
Also, why you think that you are being singled-out and not others? Because they don't behave like you.