Originally posted by VastoLord1234Yes.
Both multiverses possessed infinite universes, right?
Originally posted by VastoLord1234The original/prime infinite multiverse was initially rebooted into a singular universe after the original Crisis. The higher dimensional planes which exist outside the prime multiverse(like the 4th World/home of the New Gods) were unaffected by said reboot.
From what i could recall the post crisis multiverse wasnt a complete reboot as the new gods were the same new gods from the pre-crisis multiverse? is that true?
But as I explained above: DC was still an infinite multiverse prior to Flashpoint--it evidently grew into one over the years. /shrug
Originally posted by VastoLord1234The introduction of Hypertime amalgamated/merged pre and post-Crisis DC--it placed them under the same unit of cosmology. Prior to this, they were entirely separate.
and thus WF mxy affected the pre-crisis multiverse as well? wouldnt that mean that the pre-crisis and the post crisis multiverse were one and the same? via hypertime?
However, it was established soon thereafter that it is well within a 5D being's power to manipulate Hypertime to their whim:
...Which might help explain how Mxy did... What he did.
Originally posted by VastoLord1234Convergence appears to be treating pre and post-Crisis DC as two separate entities--two separate multiverses. We won't know for sure until the event commences, but I doubt Hypertime will be referenced. Hopefully it will be, but I'm not holding my breath.
Wouldnt that be contradictory as it would mean both multiverses were seperate? yet they were one?
Originally posted by leonidas
😂 that's the kind of pigeon-holing that always comes from looking too closely at these things. from one pov it is purely an issue of semantics. from another, EACH is actually supportably accurate. me, i'd as soon leave it alone and not bother with even trying to formally categorize it--which was my initial point. from a purely outsiders stand point, what is happening (and appears on the verge of happening) is a re-visualizing of the hypertime concept that dc wasted so badly. it was a brilliant concept that was relegated to, essentially, the junk heap and now they are just bringing it back in a shinier package--maybe. what would you consider hypertime? as you can see, coming to a consensus on the issue will be impossible. i do believe that despite the contradictions that it presents, the new map will be dc's OFFICIAL stance though, and that regardless of evidence to the contrary that really is that, imo. but like i said, it does stimulate interesting discussion.
So you only believe in 52 universes and thats it? to each his own but its clear cut to me that at the very least there are infinite universes.
Originally posted by Galan007
Yes.The original/prime infinite multiverse was initially rebooted into a singular universe after the original Crisis. The higher dimensional planes which exist outside the prime multiverse(like the 4th World/home of the New Gods) were unaffected by said reboot.
But as I explained above: DC was still an infinite multiverse prior to Flashpoint--it evidently grew into one over the years. /shrug
The introduction of Hypertime amalgamated/merged pre and post-Crisis DC--it placed them under the same unit of cosmology. Prior to this, they were entirely separate.
However, it was established soon thereafter that it is well within a 5D being's power to manipulate Hypertime to their whim:
...Which might help explain how Mxy did... What he did.
Convergence appears to be treating pre and post-Crisis DC as two separate entities--two separate multiverses. We won't know for sure until the event commences, but I doubt Hypertime will be referenced. Hopefully it will be, but I'm not holding my breath.
Well one things for sure, the new 52 multiverse is its own entity, due to the fact that the new gods and the 5d imps are retconned.
Do you have scans confirming that the new gods werent affected by the original crisis? also do you have scans of that character using that mask to re-create the pre-crisis multiverse?
Originally posted by VastoLord1234👆
Well one things for sure, the new 52 multiverse is its own entity, due to the fact that the new gods and the 5d imps are retconned.
Originally posted by VastoLord1234
Do you have scans confirming that the new gods werent affected by the original crisis?
-Firestorm v2 #58
Originally posted by VastoLord1234
also do you have scans of that character using that mask to re-create the pre-crisis multiverse?
It can all be summed up by these two panels:
-Animal Man #23-24
Originally posted by VastoLord1234
So you only believe in 52 universes and thats it? to each his own but its clear cut to me that at the very least there are infinite universes.
that's not what i said. at all. you're attempting to force a choice where making either choice can be proven wrong--or right. so....why would i make a choice at all? what i said was the newest map will be canon, and will--in all likelihood--be the official stance of the dcu, so now we're saying the company's own stance is incorrect? i'm well aware of the contradictions, i'm just not sure they mean much and they will always be open for debate. galan's already thrown a wtf monkey wrench into all the work done on that site with only a few scans. THAT was my original point. the site is very well done, and i commend the effort and time put into it. but it is not 'definitive'. it can't be. dc has ALWAYS been a cosmological disaster. i don't think there is a tidy answer to your question.
It is said to be that Monitor was send to DC creation when the story of Superman was born. So, It means that Monitor has been there from Golden Age to Final Crisis. and Nix Uotan of DCnU seems to be same person as Nix Uotan of Final Crisis. So Does this mean that Monitor Sphere dwarf Pre-Crisis multiverse, Pre-Flash point multiverse,DCnU multiverse?
Originally posted by Galan007
👆-Firestorm v2 #58
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http://i.imgur.com/u41AeMf.jpgIt can all be summed up by these two panels:
-Animal Man #23-24
Events like that really gets my psyched. One quick question; top 10 most powerful DC artifacts
Originally posted by leonidas
that's not what i said. at all. you're attempting to force a choice where making either choice can be proven wrong--or right. so....why would i make a choice at all? what i said was the newest map will be canon, and will--in all likelihood--be the official stance of the dcu, so now we're saying the company's own stance is incorrect? i'm well aware of the contradictions, i'm just not sure they mean much and they will always be open for debate. galan's already thrown a wtf monkey wrench into all the work done on that site with only a few scans. THAT was my original point. the site is very well done, and i commend the effort and time put into it. but it is not 'definitive'. it can't be. dc has ALWAYS been a cosmological disaster. i don't think there is a tidy answer to your question.
You're speaking in riddles 😕
That map isnt by the company, its by grant morrison, and he created that map so other writers can use it as a guide, yet its funny how none of the writers used that map and how Didio, a monthor 2 later, came out with the synopsis of convergence with a cosmology completely mocking that map.
But then there was an explanation, that map was from multiversity, every multiversity issue that has come out so far, has been stories about the pre-flashpoint multiverses, considering how the final poster of convergence depicted the cartoon universe as one of the universe captured by braniac, and that same cartoon universe was one of the universe on the map, its safe to say that map is the map of the pre-flashpoint multiverse.
Originally posted by CatL18
It is said to be that Monitor was send to DC creation when the story of Superman was born. So, It means that Monitor has been there from Golden Age to Final Crisis. and Nix Uotan of DCnU seems to be same person as Nix Uotan of Final Crisis. So Does this mean that Monitor Sphere dwarf Pre-Crisis multiverse, Pre-Flash point multiverse,DCnU multiverse?
Then again the map contradicts most of DC's inconsistent and damaged cosmology; so i wouldnt be surprised with what you said, then again hypertime could easily fix everything, like how galan gave examples.
Originally posted by VastoLord1234There are so many... The Genesis Box, the Medusa Mask, Thought Robot, Worlogog, Anti-Life Equation, Spear of Destiny, Books of Magic, Central Battery(pre-Johns), Miracle Machine, Heart Stones, Concentrator, Heart of Darkness, Batman's leg, Matter-Eater Lad's stomach, etc. etc. etc.
Events like that really gets my psyched. One quick question; top 10 most powerful DC artifacts
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Originally posted by Galan007
There are so many... The Genesis Box, the Medusa Mask, Thought Robot, Worlogog, Anti-Life Equation, Spear of Destiny, Books of Magic, Central Battery(pre-Johns), Miracle Machine, Heart Stones, Concentrator, Heart of Darkness, Batman's leg, Matter-Eater Lad's stomach, etc. etc. etc.😛
HA, batmans leg? How many artifacts are there? and how powerful are they?
*I know about the worlogog, the genesis box, anti-life equation, medusa mask and thought robot (though i was surprised with that one, as TR is kinda featless), so i dont need anything on those.
Also if you can then scans wont be bad either 😇
Dc is an Omniverse of it's own, it's neither a Part of Marvel nor our own Universe, as it is only fictionai iow, not real, that's why an oxymoronic thing like multiple Omniverses in multiple companies can exists. You could also call it a Metaverse.
There is an infinite number of Universes in a Multiverse and hence in the Omni- or Metaverse itself. DCnU is I guess an Multiverse of it's own, the PC verse and the Pre DcnU verse too, I hope Darkseid is still above all this and this rectonn is like a thing for his Avatars and the real is still just one being, a Metaversal concept of Evil.
Originally posted by VastoLord1234I wouldn't say the Thought Robot was featless. It was, after all, a meta-textual piece of technology that, when combined with Superman's story, became the essence/embodiment of a good story--powerful enough to overcome even Mandrakk, who was the essence/embodiment of an evil story.
HA, batmans leg? How many artifacts are there? and how powerful are they?*I know about the worlogog, the genesis box, anti-life equation, medusa mask and thought robot (though i was surprised with that one, as TR is kinda featless), so i dont need anything on those.
Also if you can then scans wont be bad either 😇
-The Miracle Machine was used on a multiversal scale during Final Crisis.
-The energies of the GL Central Battery(pre-Johns) made Hal/Parallax and Kyle/Ion universal+ forces.
-The Heart Stones allowed Lady Styx to rival the God.
-The Heart of Darkness gave Eclipso "near-infinite" power, and put him on par with Spectre.
-If the elemental parliaments can be regarded as 'artifacts', then he who controls all of them(like Swamp Thing did) becomes powerful enough to replace the God.
If you want scans of all that, you can probably find them by using the search function. I've made several posts on said items over the years, and I'm sure guys like operator have as well.
Probably the most obscure artifact/technology I mentioned is 'The Concentrator' featured in Adventure Comics v1 #321. With a literal flip of a switch, it was able to instantly absorb ALL forms of energy/power throughout the entire universe:
Originally posted by Galan007
I wouldn't say the Thought Robot was featless. It was, after all, a meta-textual piece of technology that, when combined with Superman's story, became the essence/embodiment of a good story--powerful enough to overcome even Mandrakk, who was the essence/embodiment of an evil story.-The Miracle Machine was used on a multiversal scale during Final Crisis.
-The energies of the GL Central Battery(pre-Johns) made Hal/Parallax and Kyle/Ion universal+ forces.
-The Heart Stones allowed Lady Styx to rival the God.
-The Heart of Darkness gave Eclipso "near-infinite" power, and put him on par with Spectre.
-If the elemental parliaments can be regarded as 'artifacts', then he who controls all of them(like Swamp Thing did) becomes powerful enough to replace the God.If you want scans of all that, you can probably find them by using the search function. I've made several posts on said items over the years, and I'm sure guys like operator have as well.
Probably the most obscure artifact/technology I mentioned is 'The Concentrator' featured in Adventure Comics v1 #321. With a literal flip of a switch, it was able to instantly absorb ALL forms of energy/power throughout the entire universe:
But what does meta-textual mean, what is "the story", what is the impact of embodying stories, its too deluded and Shakespearean for my taste. Aside from the miracle machine, there goes any notion of DC possessing a multiversal artifact. Marvel wins in the artifacts department, i assume? Thanks for the scans btw.....one more question, small one, top 10 most powerful beings in the history of DC's entire existence (and what versal they are)
