Originally posted by Werewolf582
Cap is stronger than BatmanBatman is the better Martial artist
Panther is above cap and is shown in several fights
Daredevil is weaker than BP, Bruce, and Cap.
Even if BP is slightly above Cap, that wouldn't make Daredevil fighting him PIS. yet you do so and then seriously try and argue that Bruce is bomb-proof.
Batman deflecting a bullet with his bare hands:
http://s289.photobucket.com/user/darknight2k/media/bat%20pics%202/004.jpg.html
holds a car back with just his strength and grapple gun:
speed and strength examples
With his armoured gloves, which he has said many times is lined with Kevlar.
Anyways, both of them are equal in speed. Here is Daredevil doing the exact same thing, also bullet timing:
http://imgur.com/cpfGH3V
http://imgur.com/jgF6AUe
http://imgur.com/SCpdb3c
http://imgur.com/54RYjWC
http://imgur.com/09SYazQ
http://imgur.com/r9srQtz
http://imgur.com/hNwUGX0
http://imgur.com/brvTleG
There. Eight examples. Speed isn't an issue here. Not to mention, he defeated 107 armed gangsters, of which over 50 were super powered.
Stamina? Both sides know one shot pressure point attacks.
Strength? Both are near equals. To the point that neither is superhumanly stronger than the other. They are in the same ballpark.
Batman's fighting style is dependent on the shadows. Sneaking. His gadgets. No Bat-fan can ignore this.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
With his armoured gloves, which he has said many times is lined with Kevlar.Anyways, both of them are equal in speed. Here is Daredevil doing the exact same thing, also bullet timing:
http://imgur.com/cpfGH3V
http://imgur.com/jgF6AUe
http://imgur.com/SCpdb3c
http://imgur.com/54RYjWC
http://imgur.com/09SYazQ
http://imgur.com/r9srQtz
http://imgur.com/hNwUGX0
http://imgur.com/brvTleGThere. Eight examples. Speed isn't an issue here. Not to mention, he defeated 107 armed gangsters, of which over 50 were super powered.
Stamina? Both sides know one shot pressure point attacks.
Strength? Both are near equals. To the point that neither is superhumanly stronger than the other. They are in the same ballpark.
Batman's fighting style is dependent on the shadows. Sneaking. His gadgets. No Bat-fan can ignore this.
Apparently all of those are PIS, yet Bruce being bomb-proof isn't. just like Daredevil fighting Panther is PIS, but Bruce fighting KK is perfectly valid.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Scans of the mastering?
this has been done a LOT. it's likely as close a fight as there can be. without his gadgets while matt still retains his full senses, the edge slips to matt, just. with gadgets in play, the edge slips to bats, just.
skills i'd call equal or the slightest edge to bats.
strength i'd take bats pretty clearly.
speed is dead even.
agility i'd give a slight edge to dd.
durability a slight edge to bats.
creativity (something often over looked in fighting) i'd give to dd.
again, this really is as close as 2 characters can be imo.
You forgot some stuff Dark.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11116/111160070/4021820-dd1.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11116/111160070/4021821-dd2.jpg
Now this is insane.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11116/111160070/4021823-dd4.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11116/111160070/4021824-dd5.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11116/111160070/4021825-dd6.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11116/111160070/4021830-dd10.jpg
There's more as well but I think this should suffice.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
http://batmanfeats.blogspot.de/p/martial-arts.html
Seen. I'm not some Bat-hater - check the thread against Ozymandias, I used EXTENSIVE use of that very same site.
So apart from the handbooks and pre-Crisis showings, we're left with this:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batcd127-1.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batcd127-2.jpg
He has a CD, with 127 styles, and acknowledges that it takes a lifetime to study. As he'd only been learning since what, 18, he himself admits he hasn't mastered them all.
Try harder.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Seen. I'm not some Bat-hater - check the thread against Ozymandias, I used EXTENSIVE use of that very same site.So apart from the handbooks and pre-Crisis showings, we're left with this:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batcd127-1.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batcd127-2.jpgHe has a CD, with 127 styles, and acknowledges that it takes a lifetime to study. As he'd only been learning since what, 18, he himself admits he hasn't mastered them all.
Try harder.
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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Seen. I'm not some Bat-hater - check the thread against Ozymandias, I used EXTENSIVE use of that very same site.So apart from the handbooks and pre-Crisis showings, we're left with this:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batcd127-1.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batcd127-2.jpgHe has a CD, with 127 styles, and acknowledges that it takes a lifetime to study. As he'd only been learning since what, 18, he himself admits he hasn't mastered them all.
Try harder.
He is a comic char and he is a genius in it.
Sorry I hurt your feelings.
Originally posted by Silent Master
That is basically a semantic argument, both essentially mean highly skilled.
Highly skilled, yes I agree but Mastering something is better than this. You can be good at something and you can be a master. I think it isn't necessary to explain the difference....
