Batman vs Daredevil - H2H

Originally posted by Vixal1
First off I wanted to say that the 127 mastery of styles is a misconception, at one point he handed Cassandra Cain a CD with 127 styles of martial arts on it, never once was it stated in any comic that it's all he's mastered.

Second, you're right about the Nu 52, I haven't seen anything stating that specifically, most people consider Batman to be the same since a lot of his pre 52 canon still happened (Death in the Family, No Man's Land etc) but yeah, I haven't seen anything specifically note his mastery of every style. We'd have to wait for DC to come out with a New 52 hand book or encyclopedia.

Well, considering he told Cass it would take 'a lifetime' to study, and he'd only been training for about....15-20 years, he'd obviously not studied 127 then 🙂

We don't take handbooks/encyclopedias into account here, btw.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well, considering he told Cass it would take 'a lifetime' to study, and he'd only been training for about....15-20 years, he'd obviously not studied 127 then 🙂

We don't take handbooks/encyclopedias into account here, btw.

Is there a KMC ruling stating this or is this personal preference? Even so they release Confidential issues which are comic/encyclopedia hybrids and a few other things.

Are you saying Batman does a similar thing? Learns new styles, discards the old?

Its just that handbooks are frequently out of date, due to their schedule.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Are you saying Batman does a similar thing? Learns new styles, discards the old?

Its just that handbooks are frequently out of date, due to their schedule.

Fair enough.

Moot point, anyway, as we still don't know how many styles current Bats has mastered

Not that it matters, he's still supremely skilled. I just call shenanigans every time that 127 is used as justification lol.

As far as out of date hand books go, to each own but I think it hurts Marvel's hand books more since they still use that stupid grid system.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Fair enough.

Moot point, anyway, as we still don't know how many styles current Bats has mastered

Not that it matters, he's still supremely skilled. I just call shenanigans every time that 127 is used as justification lol.

IMO, those that bring it up usually do so because the only Marvel they've read is the handbooks and thus think Cap only knows judo and boxing, so they throw out the 127 styles in order to make Batman sound more skilled.

They're also usually the first to call foul when the Cap(adept at all styles) scan is posted.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Combat feats don't equal physical feats.

Spiderman can beat Rhino, does that make him able to lift 80 tons?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
With his armoured gloves, which he has said many times is lined with Kevlar.

Anyways, both of them are equal in speed. Here is Daredevil doing the exact same thing, also bullet timing:

http://imgur.com/cpfGH3V
http://imgur.com/jgF6AUe
http://imgur.com/SCpdb3c
http://imgur.com/54RYjWC
http://imgur.com/09SYazQ
http://imgur.com/r9srQtz
http://imgur.com/hNwUGX0
http://imgur.com/brvTleG

There. Eight examples. Speed isn't an issue here. Not to mention, he defeated 107 armed gangsters, of which over 50 were super powered.

Stamina? Both sides know one shot pressure point attacks.

Strength? Both are near equals. To the point that neither is superhumanly stronger than the other. They are in the same ballpark.

Aside from someone like Cassandra Cain who's bullet-timing speed is a defining characteristic, nobody beats Daredevil in the bullet-timing feats department. The only one is Captain America and only because Daredevil has outright admitted Cap is faster than he is and it was rather definitively illustrated in Born Again.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Batman's fighting style is dependent on the shadows. Sneaking. His gadgets. No Bat-fan can ignore this.

Originally posted by ODG
Batman isn't exactly worthless in the daylight w/o gadgets.

And a lot of people forget just how much capability Batman derives from his suit's enhanced stats, gadgets and such.

Batman's got some of the best armour on DC earth and literally any kind of non-lethal gadgetry you can think of.

Daredevil goes out there with two ****ing sticks and red cloth.

Good SHOW, kris! ✅

Daredevil is near top of the line HTH, but IMO Batman is overall better.

Also Daredevil isn't really a bullet timer, he's already admitted several times that he can hear a trigger spring before the shot is fired

The bullet time scenes have no mention of Daredevil hearing a spring before the shots.

Even if it did, that doesn't have a thing to do with him being fast enough to slap bullets out of the air.

Also Daredevil has admitted that he can't dodge bullets anyway.

Except we have seen DD dodge bullets multiple times and even deflect them.

Yeah, because he can predict when they're fired and react accordingly

Take that away and he can't do it

Originally posted by Vixal1
First off I wanted to say that the 127 mastery of styles is a misconception, at one point he handed Cassandra Cain a CD with 127 styles of martial arts on it, never once was it stated in any comic that it's all he's mastered.

Daredevil fans must of had a field day with this one

😆 😆