Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
He is a comic char and he is a genius in it.Sorry I hurt your feelings.
Highly skilled, yes I agree but Mastering something is better than this. You can be good at something and you can be a master. I think it isn't necessary to explain the difference....
I hate you so much 🙁
Ah The Widening Gyre. Canon? If so, Batman wet his own Bat pants 🙁 for that reason, I don't think it is.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
The char never changed, they still have the abilities they had before, except Batman got obviously stronger and more ruthless.So, as good as DD is, he is out of his league here.
All of the characters are the same? Show me a Pre Reboot scan of Wonder Woman taking her bracers off going Super Saiyan. Show me a scan of Supergirl doing an OMNI blast from her body. Is Lobo the same? Grundy? There's obviously a change in these characters.
Originally posted by carver9
All of the characters are the same? Show me a Pre Reboot scan of Wonder Woman taking her bracers off going Super Saiyan. Show me a scan of Supergirl doing an OMNI blast from her body. Is Lobo the same? Grundy? There's obviously a change in these characters.
Superman has stil, speed, hv, etc. The most important flagship chars are the same. Grasping at straws I see. Because DD lacks the skill. Good, so we agree on this.
Originally posted by relentless1They aren't, Daredevil isn't a master of every style, Daredevil doesn't know every pressure point and isn't a master of every weapon either.
DD and Bats are roughly the same level when it comes to MA, ill give the edge to Batman considering he's mastered 127 styles. While DD might be more agile, Batman however is stronger and all it takes is for DD to get hit once by Batman and its all she wrote, the fact that Bats can kick one of his motorcycles in half, which are probably highly durable and reinforced and his showing of holding a car back via just his grapple gun and strength put him at a higher strength level that Matt, combine that with his MA skill and he KOs DD no question
Agreed, though, Batman hits way too hard for Matt to last more than a few minutes here.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
With his armoured gloves, which he has said many times is lined with Kevlar.Anyways, both of them are equal in speed. Here is Daredevil doing the exact same thing, also bullet timing:
http://imgur.com/cpfGH3V
http://imgur.com/jgF6AUe
http://imgur.com/SCpdb3c
http://imgur.com/54RYjWC
http://imgur.com/09SYazQ
http://imgur.com/r9srQtz
http://imgur.com/hNwUGX0
http://imgur.com/brvTleGThere. Eight examples. Speed isn't an issue here. Not to mention, he defeated 107 armed gangsters, of which over 50 were super powered.
Stamina? Both sides know one shot pressure point attacks.
Strength? Both are near equals. To the point that neither is superhumanly stronger than the other. They are in the same ballpark.
Batman's fighting style is dependent on the shadows. Sneaking. His gadgets. No Bat-fan can ignore this.
Batman knows every pressure point, Daredevil doesn't.
Batman is much stronger than Daredevil is, they aren't in the same ballpark unless you want to show Daredevil one shotting robots or kicking motorcycles in half
Batman's fighting style is dependent on the shadows...yeah when he's fighting someone who significantly outclasses him...Daredevil doesn't fall into that category.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Cap:Wolverine:
First one says Cap is adept
For Wolverine it just states that he's had a lot of masters, and he says that he's learned from them, it doesn't state what he's learned from them, some of those teachers could of taught Wolverine some basic moves or techniques for all we know.
Batman has actually MASTERED every style, nailed every style down to a science.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Superman has stil, speed, hv, etc. The most important flagship chars are the same. Grasping at straws I see. Because DD lacks the skill. Good, so we agree on this.
Wonder Woman is a flagship character and she has done things that pre reboot has as of yet to do. Current Supes is weak as h**** to TP and nearly died by being next to magic. His previous counterpart was weakened but he was no where near as weak as he currently is against magic and TP.
These characters are different. Batman has been out long enough for you to gather fts from him without resorting to his classic counterpart.
Originally posted by Vixal1
They aren't, Daredevil isn't a master of every style, Daredevil doesn't know every pressure point and isn't a master of every weapon either.Agreed, though, Batman hits way too hard for Matt to last more than a few minutes here.
Batman knows every pressure point, Daredevil doesn't.
Batman is much stronger than Daredevil is, they aren't in the same ballpark unless you want to show Daredevil one shotting robots or kicking motorcycles in half
Batman's fighting style is dependent on the shadows...yeah when he's fighting someone who significantly outclasses him...Daredevil doesn't fall into that category.
First one says Cap is adept
For Wolverine it just states that he's had a lot of masters, and he says that he's learned from them, it doesn't state what he's learned from them, some of those teachers could of taught Wolverine some basic moves or techniques for all we know.
Batman has actually MASTERED every style, nailed every style down to a science.
Proof of DCnU Batman having MASTERED every style, nailed every style down to a science? I still haven't seen any proof of this so far. nor proof of him knowing EVERY pressure point.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85First off I wanted to say that the 127 mastery of styles is a misconception, at one point he handed Cassandra Cain a CD with 127 styles of martial arts on it, never once was it stated in any comic that it's all he's mastered.
So...some proof at least that he's mastered 127 styles of martial arts/knows every pressure point?
Second, you're right about the Nu 52, I haven't seen anything stating that specifically, most people consider Batman to be the same since a lot of his pre 52 canon still happened (Death in the Family, No Man's Land etc) but yeah, I haven't seen anything specifically note his mastery of every style. We'd have to wait for DC to come out with a New 52 hand book or encyclopedia.
