Originally posted by Silent Master
Durability still plays an important part, or do you think Rocky could beat Juggernaut in a boxing match if Cain was tired enough?
Cain doesn't tire!!!!
EDIT: But to answer your question, Lang literally no sold every single punch Rocky thru until he was tired. That's tells us that he lost due to his lack of stamina and not because Rocky's punches were too much for him
Originally posted by juggerman
👆Well now you are taking Lang out of character and making a strategy for him. Lang was never shown to be a stratigist and wear people down. He goes for the KO and doesn't defend himself much. No reason to think it would differ against Drago
I didn't say Lang would try some strategy unknown to him. Rocky was baiting him into punching himself out... Talking to him... Rubbing his head.. .etc etc... Basically questioning his manhood. Drago would be doing no such thing to instigate Lang like that. The clear presentation of the movie was that yes Lang goes for the KO.. he's a destroyer.. but Rocky clearly baited him into tiring himself out quicker than usual. That seemed clear enough to me.
Originally posted by Silent Master
You get my point though, if it helps I'll change the example....do you think Rocky could have ko'd a gassed Lang if Lang had the Juggernaut's durability?
No. But his standard durability was high enough to completely no sell a fresh Rocky's best punches. Then, when winded, he was getting rocked and lifted off the mat. Kinda hard to determine where he stands
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I didn't say Lang would try some strategy unknown to him. Rocky was baiting him into punching himself out... Talking to him... Rubbing his head.. .etc etc... Basically questioning his manhood. Drago would be doing no such thing to instigate Lang like that. The clear presentation of the movie was that yes Lang goes for the KO.. he's a destroyer.. but Rocky clearly baited him into tiring himself out quicker than usual. That seemed clear enough to me.
Still, evenr one of Clubbers hits were haymakers. He'd tire out quickly regardless of if the opponent was trying to bait him
nah, I think the movie was clear enough of this point. Sure, Clubber could tire out and that could eventually happen in any fight. Again though, it was clear enough to me that Rocky tired him out quicker than most fighters could and would. You have to be able to take a lot of shots and not get KO'd and make him miss a lot. Neither of those are certain factors with most fighters. In fact, i'd say that would be a very rare combination for a fighter to pull off in the Rockyverse. All Apollo even noted... At the rate were going to send Rocky at.. I don't think he can go more than 6 rounds.. we'll have to get him out of there before that. Their whole plan was to get him out there early or Rocky himself couldn't last.
Originally posted by juggerman
No. But his standard durability was high enough to completely no sell a fresh Rocky's best punches. Then, when winded, he was getting rocked and lifted off the mat. Kinda hard to determine where he stands
Having the durability to tank several punches, doesn't mean that he can tank those punches indefinitely, I'm sure that Tyson/Foreman could tank several punches from anyone on this forum, but give us enough free shots and we could ko them.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Having the durability to tank several punches, doesn't mean that he can tank those punches indefinitely, I'm sure that Tyson/Foreman could tank several punches from anyone on this forum, but give us enough free shots and we could ko them.
I know but he never ever seemed to be bothered by the hits until he was tired. So we have no way of knowing how long he could have tanked them for. Drago on the other hand got cut in the second round and was clearly feeling Rocky's shots right after. Yes Rocky was stronger than he was in the Lang fight, but not Lang strong imo
Originally posted by juggerman
I know but he never ever seemed to be bothered by the hits until he was tired. So we have no way of knowing how long he could have tanked them for. Drago on the other hand got cut in the second round and was clearly feeling Rocky's shots right after. Yes Rocky was stronger than he was in the Lang fight, but not Lang strong imo
Rocky is also a faster and better boxer than Lang, just because Rocky managed to land that blow to Drago in no way proves or even implies that Lang could match it. The fact is that Lang is slower and less skilled than Rocky so take a look at how many times Drago hit Rocky in just the first round and then add a few hits.
Do you really think Lang can shrug off that many Drago level hits?
Originally posted by juggerman
Still, evenr one of Clubbers hits were haymakers. He'd tire out quickly regardless of if the opponent was trying to bait him
Drago KOed a guy wearing headgear. Also, I don't see Clubber being strong enough to lift a man one handed and throw him into a crowd (after being hurt by Rocky) like Drago did. You will have to present proof if you wish to establish Clubber at that level of strength.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Rocky is also a faster and better boxer than Lang, just because Rocky managed to land that blow to Drago in no way proves or even implies that Lang could match it. The fact is that Lang is slower and less skilled than Rocky so take a look at how many times Drago hit Rocky in just the first round and then add a few hits.Do you really think Lang can shrug off that many Drago level hits?
This was about durability not skill or speed. I agree with you that Rocky is the better boxer all around. But again we only see Lang not tanking Rocky's hits after he tired himself out. When he's still going strong, we have no idea how long he could have kept it up. That's why we can't really get a good level for him imo.
Rocky didn't really shrug them off, but idk how many hit he could take before they start to ring his bell. We never see him get rocked until tired.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Drago KOed a guy wearing headgear. Also, I don't see Clubber being strong enough to lift a man one handed and throw him into a crowd (after being hurt by Rocky) like Drago did. You will have to present proof if you wish to establish Clubber at that level of strength.
Reg boxers KO guys in head gear. Not uber impressive.
Lifting power =/= striking power. But no, I don't see Lang ragdolling that guy like Drago
Originally posted by juggerman
This was about durability not skill or speed. I agree with you that Rocky is the better boxer all around. But again we only see Lang not tanking Rocky's hits after he tired himself out. When he's still going strong, we have no idea how long he could have kept it up. That's why we can't really get a good level for him imo.Rocky didn't really shrug them off, but idk how many hit he could take before they start to ring his bell. We never see him get rocked until tired.
Rocky's skill and speed do matter as even with that Drago was still able to hit him dozens of times in the first round, Lang being slower and less skilled is going to be hit even more and I don't think anyone will disagree that Drago hits much harder than Rocky.
So what feats does Lang have to suggest he can take that many Drago level hits?
Originally posted by Silent Master
Rocky's skill and speed do matter as even with that Drago was still able to hit him dozens of times in the first round, Lang being slower and less skilled is going to be hit even more and I don't think anyone will disagree that Drago hits much harder than Rocky.So what feats does Lang have to suggest he can take that many Drago level hits?
You kinda shifted here. I said punching power is the only thing that can be debated and you said durability should be as well. Now we've moved to speed and skill for some reason. Lang does not possess Rocky level speed or skill imo so I don't think it's a point we should dwell on.
I said idk how many since idk what his limit is pre drain. He can easily take professional boxer's hits and laugh at them as shown in the beginning montage, and he can take Rocky's hits just as easily before he punched himself out. By the looks of it he should be able to take quite a few, but no idea how many
Originally posted by Silent Master
I wasn't trying to say that durability can be argued, because it really can't, I was just bringing it up as it would relate to a Lang vs Drago fight.Lang just doesn't have the feats to suggest he could stand up to Drago level hits for very long.
Lang would get beat down.
His durability is above Rocky's. Balboa never laughed off hits like Lang. With that said, he doesn't have Rocky's stamina to endure as long either
Lang's not good at taking punches, Lang is good at delivering a shit-ton of damage and ending fights early in (similar to a young Mike Tyson)
Balboa did laugh off Lang's hits when he purposely tanked them and taunted Lang (similar to Ali Vs Foreman 1974)
This is why Lang got his ass kicked by a revamped Rocky in their second match and didn't last long into the 3rd round