Clubber Lane runs the gauntlet

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So you're a moron then... good to know. Get back to me when you can grasp basic concepts and logic. Clearly you were absent the day God passed those out. Rocky losing before doesn't matter... umm idiot.. the main thing you judge a fighters all time standings is his fights... ya know.. all of them. Quan looks like a genius compared to you... jesus.

Great counter-argument Quan Jr, you sure showed me.

Rocky has some losses, sure. But most of those are from before Rocky I, when he didn't even have a proper trainer, and was just a club boxer.

The fact is Rocky at his weakest almost defeated Apollo, and beat him in the rematch. This was before learning Apollo's style, and becoming a physical beast.

Originally posted by Kotor3
The amount of fanboyism for Drago within this thread is hilarious. For someone who is supposed to be so dangerous and powerful, it should not take the lowballing of Apollo and Lang to make Drago seem so dangerous.

If Drago hit Rocky once Apollo hit Rock 5 times. 5 times for every hit Drago gave Rocky and they were all to Rocky's head. 5 hits from Apollo would be more powerful and damaging than one hit from Drago.

If an average boxer punching power is somewhere between 500-700 PSI just times that by 5. That is saying Apollo hits were average which they weren’t they were above average. Rocky was the first person to go the distance with Apollo.

Yeah, if anyone is the reason why Rocky has brain damage it is because of Apollo first and foremost with everyone else coming in at second place.

Prove that Apollo hit Rocky 5 times more than Drago.

We already went through this at great length last year. Drago would rape Lang's gets-fatigued-in-3-rounds punk ass.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Prove that Apollo hit Rocky 5 times more than Drago.

Since you want to take my comment literally, prove I'm wrong.

Prove it wasn't 4 times, 3 times, or 2 times. My point stands regardless that Apollo did the most damage.

Apollo had KOed every opponent before Rocky showing his punching power is above average.

Just counting the punches from Apollo that hit Rocky in the face straight on from the 1st round I counted 80 could be more. Ivan Drago, 1st round I counted about 36 or 38 at most and that is being generous. That is more than 2 times the amount of hits. Plus they show Rocky in daze from the hits taken from Apollo more than once during the fight.

Originally posted by Kotor3
I answer you statement by stating to watch Rocky II which you stated you did and claimed BS on my part. I answer by saying it does prove my point. So, if you claim my answer is BS then you must prove my answer is BS which you have not. All you said is that you watch the movie also. You could have said you don't agree but you claimed BS so prove it. That is where we left off.

Look I know you are slow but stay with me son. You BS is loads of fun.

IOW, you can't back up your claim.

Originally posted by Psychotron
I never said it wasn't just cumulative, just that Drago has the biggest contribution to it.

And I said that was never stated, cuz it wasn't.

Originally posted by Lestov16
We already went through this at great length last year. Drago would rape Lang's gets-fatigued-in-3-rounds punk ass.

I don't know why this is even up for debate

Originally posted by juggerman
And I said that was never stated, cuz it wasn't.

But implied.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Why?

Since you want to take my comment literally, prove I'm wrong.

Prove it wasn't 4 times, 3 times, or 2 times. My point stands regardless that Apollo did the most damage.

Apollo had KOed every opponent before Rocky showing his punching power is above average.

Just counting the punches from Apollo that hit Rocky in the face straight on from the 1st round I counted 80 could be more. Ivan Drago, 1st round I counted about 36 or 38 at most and that is being generous. That is more than 2 times the amount of hits. Plus they show Rocky in daze from the hits taken from Apollo more than once during the fight.

You're the one making a claim, it's up to you to back it up.

Drago has vastly greater strength than Apollo, so even IF he landed less punches, all of them hurt more.

Originally posted by Psychotron
But implied.

Nope

Originally posted by juggerman
I don't know why this is even up for debate

Because Kotor3 refuses to live in reality.

Greater punching power between Drago and Lang is the only thing that can be debated imo. I understand why most feel Drago wins this in spades, and tho I disagree, it's probably best to just agree to disagree. Either way, Lang's lack of stamina ensures him a loss against the Russian.

There is a Drago vs Lang thread anyway.

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Originally posted by juggerman
Greater punching power between Drago and Lang is the only thing that can be debated imo. I understand why most feel Drago wins this in spades, and tho I disagree, it's probably best to just agree to disagree. Either way, Lang's lack of stamina ensures him a loss against the Russian.

There is a Drago vs Lang thread anyway.

There is also the durability issue to consider.

While some might argue that Lang's hits are comparable, nobody should argue that Rocky can hit as hard as Drago and the fact is that Lang was beat in 3 rounds by Rocky level hits.

I'm surprised people didn't know that it wasn't a durability issue.. it was a stamina issue. Chin and stamina aren't mutually inclusive things. Let's also remember that it wasn't a typical fight with stamina issues. Lang was winging punches left and right more than usual ro what would be typical. Fighting somebody like Drago... Lang wouldn't be throwing punches like that and Drago's strategy wouldn't be to try and purposely tire him out.

Originally posted by Psychotron
You're the one making a claim, it's up to you to back it up.

Drago has vastly greater strength than Apollo, so even IF he landed less punches, all of them hurt more.

But I know which comments to take literally and which ones not to. First off, I am surprise you responded to that post. That was a troll post meant for idiots like Silent Master to respond to.

I already gave my serious comment to this topic. The only thing that is a fact is that Rocky got brained damage from an accumulation of hits taken from Apollo, Lang, and Drago.

If you want to assume that it was implied that Drago was the main cause, since Rocky was about 7 to 8 years older and Drago hits were so powerful. Then you make a good point but it is not substantiated in Rocky IV or V. So, it is only an assumption.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Did you missed the word literally? My comment was not meant to be literal. Just like you can't back up that it is implied heavily that Drago cause the brain damage or that Rocky was out of shape in part III.

But I know which comments to take literally and which ones not to. First off, I am surprise you responded to that post. That was a troll post meant for idiots like Silent Master to respond to.

I already gave my serious comment to this topic. The only thing that is a fact is that Rocky got brained damage from an accumulation of hits taken from Apollo, Lang, and Drago.

If you want to assume that it was implied that Drago was the main cause, since Rocky was about 7 to 8 years older and Drago hits were so powerful. Then you make a good point but it is not substantiated in Rocky IV or V. So, it is only an assumption.

IIRC Rocky went more rounds with Drago than any other opponent besides Apollo, and I am damn sure Drago's 15 rounds of 2150 psi punches contributed more to Balboa's brain damage than the mere 3 rounds (officially making Lang Rocky's weakest professional opponent in the series) that tired out Clubber.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Great counter-argument Quan Jr, you sure showed me.

Rocky has some losses, sure. But most of those are from before Rocky I, when he didn't even have a proper trainer, and was just a club boxer.

The fact is Rocky at his weakest almost defeated Apollo, and beat him in the rematch. This was before learning Apollo's style, and becoming a physical beast.

The reality is this, his record still counts towards his all time standing. Sadly you have no idea somebody's record was important to such a placement. Doesn't get much dumber than that. What's worse is how anybody could look at his fight and think it was as competitive as Rocky vs. Drago, it wasn't, and it wasn't close.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqq27hG9g6A

If you watch this fight.. Rocky wins a grand total of won round before the TKO in the 15th. It was a horrific one sided beating. The ref even threatens to stop the fight. Mickey even wants to stop the fight. It was brutality. Drago vs. Rocky was very much a back and forth fight, much more so than this one. Which is why Rocky's trainer said.. The beating from Apollo should've killed you. It was THAT bad. He clearly landed a SIGNIFICANT number of more punches on Rocky than Drago did. Of that there can be no doubt as it was much more of one sided beating.

Point is, Apollo is considered the best ever in Rockyverse and it's not even close really. The beating he took clearly contributed to his condition and brain damage. We know Apollo was responsible for Rocky being partially blind in one eye. The point of all of this is quite simple. After Rocky learned the benefit of not meeting somebody head one when he can't take them like that... He STILL decided to do so against Drago and won... He knew he couldn't do the same with Lang... that speaks volumes about power and strength in and of itself.

Originally posted by Lestov16
IIRC Rocky went more rounds with Drago than any other opponent besides Apollo, and I am damn sure Drago's 15 rounds of 2150 psi punches contributed more to Balboa's brain damage than the mere 3 rounds (officially making Lang Rocky's weakest professional opponent in the series) that tired out Clubber.

Nonetheless, it makes sense that Drago would have more of an impact then Lang. Apollo I would argue against. Either way it doesn't matter, part V shows it is an accumulation of hits from all three fighters that Rocky faced.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I'm surprised people didn't know that it wasn't a durability issue.. it was a stamina issue.

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Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Fighting somebody like Drago... Lang wouldn't be throwing punches like that and Drago's strategy wouldn't be to try and purposely tire him out.

Well now you are taking Lang out of character and making a strategy for him. Lang was never shown to be a stratigist and wear people down. He goes for the KO and doesn't defend himself much. No reason to think it would differ against Drago

Originally posted by juggerman
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Durability still plays an important part, or do you think Rocky could beat Juggernaut in a boxing match if Cain was tired enough?