Originally posted by Psychotron
He KOed Lang in round 5, hardly impressive. This is all assuming this a boxing match, if it's a street fight then Iceman rapes.
The difference is Rocky even with the Ali ability could not go toe to toe with Clubber but had to let Clubber tire himself out until he was in a weaken state. Monroe just straight out beat Iceman.
Also it took Ali type agility, skill, and tolerance in order to beat Clubber. Something Iceman does not have.
Originally posted by Kotor3
Really, and Iceman survived how long against Monroe? As I recalled it was the second or third round that he was KOed.The difference is Rocky even with the Ali ability could not go toe to toe with Clubber but had to let Clubber tire himself out until he was in a weaken state. Monroe just straight out beat Iceman.
Also it took Ali type agility, skill, and tolerance in order to beat Clubber. Something Iceman does not have.
It's heavily implied Iceman threw the fight. And if this is a street fight Iceman can use his legs and ground game as well. Lang's got nothing on that.
Also, Rocky took a shitload of face hits from Lang without being KOed, he didn't fight that much like Ali did.
Originally posted by Psychotron
It's heavily implied Iceman threw the fight. And if this is a street fight Iceman can use his legs and ground game as well. Lang's got nothing on that.Also, Rocky took a shitload of face hits from Lang without being KOed, he didn't fight that much like Ali did.
As for Rocky, this is what he is known for and that is taking hits. Apollo lost in Rocky II because he wanted to knock out Rocky instead of keeping his distance. Rocky manger did not want Rocky to face Clubber Lane and got soft fighters for him after the second Apollo fight because as he stated in the movie, he (Rocky) should have died from his fight with Apollo.
Also, in the first fight with Clubber Lane Rocky took a lot of hits and was KOed. The only difference with the second fight is that Rocky was better trained and conditioned and got angry and started blocking.
Rocky has taken mucho punches from every fighter he has fought so that statement does nothing to discredit Clubber Lane's power. Unless you want to say Ivan Drago punches are weak since Rocky was able to take them.
Originally posted by Kotor3
Granted it has been a while for me but I seen the movie undisputed more than once and do not recalled any implication that Iceman threw the fight.As for Rocky, this is what he is known for and that is taking hits. Apollo lost in Rocky II because he wanted to knock out Rocky instead of keeping his distance. Rocky manger did not want Rocky to face Clubber Lane and got soft fighters for him after the second Apollo fight because as he stated in the movie, he (Rocky) should have died from his fight with Apollo.
Also, in the first fight with Clubber Lane Rocky took a lot of hits and was KOed. The only difference with the second fight is that Rocky was better trained and conditioned and got angry and started blocking.
Rocky has taken mucho punches from every fighter he has fought so that statement does nothing to discredit Clubber Lane's power. Unless you want to say Ivan Drago punches are weak since Rocky was able to take them.
It was mentioned that he was bankrupt and that the girl who accused him of rape was suing him. The mobsters offered to pay him in exchange for throwing the fight. We never see him agree, but given the way he dominated Monroe at the beginning of the fight and how abruptly he lost, plus his need of money, it's not unreasonable to assume he made a deal with them. Especially since Monroe hadn't been in the ring with a serious opponent for 10 years while Iceman was destroying pro boxers and was the current undefeated heavyweight champion.
Sure, Rocky learned some technique from Apollo, but he didn't really use much of it against Lang. Rocky basically let Lang unload on him until he was tired and KOed him. This is what Rocky always does.
Originally posted by Psychotron
It was mentioned that he was bankrupt and that the girl who accused him of rape was suing him. The mobsters offered to pay him in exchange for throwing the fight. We never see him agree, but given the way he dominated Monroe at the beginning of the fight and how abruptly he lost, plus his need of money, it's not unreasonable to assume he made a deal with them. Especially since Monroe hadn't been in the ring with a serious opponent for 10 years while Iceman was destroying pro boxers and was the current undefeated heavyweight champion.Sure, Rocky learned some technique from Apollo, but he didn't really use much of it against Lang. Rocky basically let Lang unload on him until he was tired and KOed him. This is what Rocky always does.
He did not throw the fight. He was egotistical throughout the whole movie. No way he was going to lose on purpose. The movie never presented his character in that manner.
As for Rocky, then you agree, Rocky takes hit but that does not prove the other fighter is inferior or lacks skill. Rocky had no choice but to use the Ali rope a dope because his hits were only making Clubber mad and Clubber was closing in too much.
Simply put, Clubber has shown the ability to take more damage than Iceman as shown when he smile when other fighter hit him at the being of Rocky 3. Also when fighting Rocky.
Sorry you have to prove Iceman threw the fight because he didn't.
Originally posted by Psychotron
It was mentioned that he was bankrupt and that the girl who accused him of rape was suing him. The mobsters offered to pay him in exchange for throwing the fight. We never see him agree, but given the way he dominated Monroe at the beginning of the fight and how abruptly he lost, plus his need of money, it's not unreasonable to assume he made a deal with them. Especially since Monroe hadn't been in the ring with a serious opponent for 10 years while Iceman was destroying pro boxers and was the current undefeated heavyweight champion.Sure, Rocky learned some technique from Apollo, but he didn't really use much of it against Lang. Rocky basically let Lang unload on him until he was tired and KOed him. This is what Rocky always does.
IDK about that. Iceman's pride, which he clearly treasured more than anything, was on the line in that fight. I am rather certain he didn't throw it.
Originally posted by KingD19
Okay, here's where I was getting my wires crossed. You meant Ving Rhames "Iceman", not Michael Jai White "Iceman" from Undisputed 2, who would whoop Lang's ass.
They're the same character.
Originally posted by Lestov16
IDK about that. Iceman's pride, which he clearly treasured more than anything, was on the line in that fight. I am rather certain he didn't throw it.
Originally posted by Kotor3
I do not recall him being bankrupt at all. The mob offered him to have an early release if he fought not throw the fight. The only reason Iceman fought was not for the money but to be release early.He did not throw the fight. He was egotistical throughout the whole movie. No way he was going to lose on purpose. The movie never presented his character in that manner.
As for Rocky, then you agree, Rocky takes hit but that does not prove the other fighter is inferior or lacks skill. Rocky had no choice but to use the Ali rope a dope because his hits were only making Clubber mad and Clubber was closing in too much.
Simply put, Clubber has shown the ability to take more damage than Iceman as shown when he smile when other fighter hit him at the being of Rocky 3. Also when fighting Rocky.
Sorry you have to prove Iceman threw the fight because he didn't.
This is one of the better parts of the film, it's hinted that Iceman threw the fight but it's never explicity shown or said.
Sure, he was egotistical, but as I said he was also bankrupt (watched the movie recently, so I'm 100% sure on this), he needed to get out and start fighting and making money again, otherwise that lawsuit would have left him with nothing.
Well ok, but Rocky pretty much always does that. Apollo taught him a few things but the core of his style was always the same. Out of all of his opponents Clubber fell first, everyone else made it to the last rounds. So Lang has a serious stamina problem which Iceman can exploit. That is assuming he doesn't wreck him with his Undisputed 2 skills.