Originally posted by KingD19
James Bond is the same guy, but you specify between Sean Connery and Daniel Craig unless you're using a composite. You don't give Connery Bond feats from Skyfall.The guy who fought in U1 against Monroe is not the same beast from U2 that beat Boyka, who is a much tougher opponent than Munroe.
That's different. In this case a character was simply recast, with James Bond it's possible that it's just a code name and that they're all different spies. It woudn't make sense for all of them to be the same Bond given that he's been in service for 40+ years and doesn't age. And Craig is a seperate Bond, because his version is a reboot.
I guess maybe that is the confusion here. That is why I specified Undisputed and not both movies. This is iceman as he was portrayed in Undisputed I not II. Feats from I are the only ones included. They were portrayed differently to the point of them being almost two different characters. That is why I am only referring to Undisputed I.
Originally posted by Psychotron
They're the same character.This is one of the better parts of the film, it's hinted that Iceman threw the fight but it's never explicity shown or said.
Sure, he was egotistical, but as I said he was also bankrupt (watched the movie recently, so I'm 100% sure on this), he needed to get out and start fighting and making money again, otherwise that lawsuit would have left him with nothing.
I can't say I agree that it was hinted that Iceman threw the fight. That would also go against what the movie was about.
Either way Clubber Lane can beat both Iceman and Monroe from my perspective.
Originally posted by Kotor3
And?Is that suppose to be something bad? Rocky had to train in the style of Apollo(Ali) to beat Clubber and still had to use the strategy of letting Clubber beat himself. Reminds you of anything (Ali and Foreman)?
You said anyone who goes head to head with Lang other than Drago loses...Rocky lost sure but he won later on so you're wrong
Originally posted by Kotor3
How did Rocky go head to head with Clubber Lane? He resorted to blocking and letting Clubber Lane punch himself out.
Rocky blocked like 40% of those hits, his durability is what won the fight.
Originally posted by Kotor3
I remember the scene you are referring to but it did not come across the way you are inferring. The mob boss would have never wanted a fight that was setup.I can't say I agree that it was hinted that Iceman threw the fight. That would also go against what the movie was about.
Either way Clubber Lane can beat both Iceman and Monroe from my perspective.
Not the old guy, the others wanted to set up the fight.
Not really. Do you seriously think a guy who hasn't been in a fight with a serious contender for 10+ years is going to take on the current heavyweight champion? A guy with 48 KOs and 0 loses?
Originally posted by Psychotron
Not the old guy, the others wanted to set up the fight.Not really. Do you seriously think a guy who hasn't been in a fight with a serious contender for 10+ years is going to take on the current heavyweight champion? A guy with 48 KOs and 0 loses?
Your statement is like saying since most of the people Tyson fought were bums then Ken Norton would beat him down since he fought more formidable people. We both know that is not true.
Originally posted by Kotor3
We see this differently. Whether you find it realistic or not is not the point. Monroe was fighting for 10 years and was in shape. He trained while Iceman decided not to. Iceman took him for granted. If Monroe was not a worry then the Iceman manager would not have never told him to Iceman to be careful or to worry about Monroe. That cause Iceman to hang up the phone.Your statement is like saying since most of the people Tyson fought were bums then Ken Norton would beat him down since he fought more formidable people. We both know that is not true.
It's not the same. You can't train as well in prison. Monroe was getting his ass kicked in the first 2 rounds, then suddenly he gets the edge on Iceman. A little strange, no?
Funny that you say that since Iceman was basically Mike Tyson.
Originally posted by Psychotron
It's not the same. You can't train as well in prison. Monroe was getting his ass kicked in the first 2 rounds, then suddenly he gets the edge on Iceman. A little strange, no?Funny that you say that since Iceman was basically Mike Tyson.
The movie clearly shows a punch that rock Iceman that was delivered from Monroe to end the fight. The premise of the movie was two undefeated fighters going at it. So in short I don't agree with the conspiracy theory.
Either way Clubber Lane rocks this version of Icemen.
Originally posted by Kotor3
The only round Monroe got own is the first round. Still you are making this movie with a simple script into a conspiracy theory. I search the web to see if there was anything backing up your theory and found nothing.The movie clearly shows a punch that rock Iceman that was delivered from Monroe to end the fight. The premise of the movie was two undefeated fighters going at it. So in short I don't agree with the conspiracy theory.
Either way Clubber Lane rocks this version of Icemen.
Fine, it could go either way IMO. I don't agree with you about the fight, it was hinted that he threw the fight, but it's obvious we're not going to come to an agreement.
Iceman would destroy him in a street fight, though.
Originally posted by Kotor3
Yep I am writing his last name incorrectly. That is the only thing I understand in your statement.
I proved you wrong, you said only Drago could beat Lang and you're wrong cause Rocky won, doesn't matter how he did it, and plus Rocky 4 he beat Drago. I don't see how you can't understand in my post that I asked if Rocky lost and answered my own question saying no he didn't lose, it's in plain English unless you don't understand English.
Originally posted by steverules_2Here is my statement "Anyone who goes head to head with Lane loses unless you are Ivan Drago."
I proved you wrong, you said only Drago could beat Lang and you're wrong cause Rocky won, doesn't matter how he did it, and plus Rocky 4 he beat Drago. I don't see how you can't understand in my post that I asked if Rocky lost and answered my own question saying no he didn't lose, it's in plain English unless you don't understand English.
Obviously, you having a hard time comprehending what that sentence means. Rocky did not go head to head or punch for punch with Lang. Rocky strategize and let Lang punch himself out. Even Apollo told Rocky to stick and move and not to go toe to toe with Lang.
So the only thing you prove is you inability to comprehend statements.