Originally posted by Robtard
Agreed, Juggs, but the whole point in showing Drago's PSI punch during his montage (and the roid reference) was to illustrate that Drago hits harder than any boxer Rocky has faced before
Yes I know. I am fully aware of the intention to make Drago the hardest hitting opponent Balboa has ever faced. I never argued Lang was supposed to be stronger, only that the actual screen feats show that. I also understand why I'm in the minority on this and that's ok.
People are getting too emotional over this
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
First off, again I'll have to correct you on what has actually been said. HE CLAIMED... The size of Rocky's head increased with the exercises he was doing. Now, I'm asking you, do you also believe this? Second, the exercises you mention were NEVER shown in the training Montage... The closest thing he does was an exercise building your abs. Point me to the part of the Montage where Neck bridges occur? If you can't, then why would you post exercise that "may" (I'll get to this in a second) increase your ability to take a punch if he was never shown doing them? Now you've resorted to try ANYTHING to get the better of me and you've failed miserably again. Third, it says it "may" increase your ability to take a punch which means there is no proof that it actually does. So not only did you post exercises Rocky was never shown doing, but you posted things that may or may not help. This is what you call holding my hand LMAO. Owned again Robbie.
So you didn't bother actually watching the Training Montage. LoL! There's a scene of Rocky training with what looks like a massive ox yolk on his neck/back, that would strengthen a person's neck, among other parts of the body, just an fyi
And it's obvious that while Rock'y montage didn't cover EVERY single facet of training, it was to illustrate to the audience that Rocky was training harder than he ever has, since Drago would be his toughest opponent to date, but you go ahead and continue to be you
edit: pulling a sled filled with rock in the snow that is strapped to your shoulders would also provide strengthening to your neck muscles. You're welcome; you should really watch the Training Montage for yourself though
Originally posted by Robtard
So you didn't bother actually watching the Training Montage. LoL! There's a scene of Rocky training with what looks like a massive ox yolk on his neck/back, that would strengthen a person's neck, among other parts of the body, just an fyiAnd it's obvious that while Rock'y montage didn't cover EVERY single facet of training, it was to illustrate to the audience that Rocky was training harder than he ever has, since Drago would be his toughest opponent to date, but you go ahead and continue to be you
edit: pulling a sled filled with rock in the snow that is strapped to your shoulders would also provide strengthening to your neck muscles. You're welcome; you should really watch the Training Montage for yourself though
You avoided the question AGAIN!!!
Do you agree with Lestov that Rocky's head size increased thus making him more durable?
So now you're claiming OTHER exercises helped his neck. You cited an article talking about neck bridges and how that "may" help your resistance to take a punch. Yet, at NO POINT WAS HE SHOWN DOING NECK BRIDGES in the montage. Way to go buddy. You got me there LMAO
Then you move the goalposts like Lestov and now these other things he was doing was what you actually meant not neck bridges. Then you half ass come to the conclusion that yeah... these things kinda help your neck muscles thus they "may" help you ability to take a punch. :facepalm: So again, you have no proof to back up the claim. Gotcha.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You avoided the question AGAIN!!!Do you agree with Lestov that Rocky's head size increased thus making him more durable?
So now you're claiming OTHER exercises helped his neck. You cited an article talking about neck bridges and how that "may" help your resistance to take a punch. Yet, at NO POINT WAS HE SHOWN DOING NECK BRIDGES in the montage. Way to go buddy. You got me there LMAO
Then you move the goalposts like Lestov and now these other things he was doing was what you actually meant not neck bridges. Then you half ass come to the conclusion that yeah... these things kinda help your neck muscles thus they "may" help you ability to take a punch. :facepalm: So again, you have no proof to back up the claim. Gotcha.
Your question is bullshit, no one actually said that Rocky's head swelled up like a balloon. As usual you didn't understand what someone was saying or you're purposely doing another strawman. I'd give it a 50/50 chance either way
So you have no idea how training works and what boxers train for. Did you at least watch the Montage?
Originally posted by Robtard
Your question is bullshit, no one actually said that Rocky's head swelled up like a balloon. As usual you didn't understand what someone was saying or you're purposely doing another strawman. I'd give it a 50/50 chance either waySo you have no idea how training works and what boxers train for. Did you at least watch the Montage?
KT knows that he can't argue the point, so he's harping on the way sed point was worded.
Originally posted by Robtard
Your question is bullshit, no one actually said that Rocky's head swelled up like a balloon. As usual you didn't understand what someone was saying or you're purposely doing another strawman. I'd give it a 50/50 chance either waySo you have no idea how training works and what boxers train for. Did you at least watch the Montage?
actually he said exactly that
"All of it. If only his body's muscles increased and not his head, his head would be disproportionately small compared to his body. Simple logic which seems to evade you."
So now you're claiming that these arbitrary these you saw him doing increased his neck muscles and thus by proxy his durability. You literally have ZERO proof to back up your claim. Not only do the things you mentioned work on other muscles EXPONENTIALLY MORE than your neck... The article you posted even says it "MAY" help your ability to take a punch if you work on your neck muscles. Now, you're claiming you know that it does... please cite the case research you've done on this matter and supporting information please.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
actually he said exactly that"All of it. If only his body's muscles increased and not his head, his head would be disproportionately small compared to his body. Simple logic which seems to evade you."
So now you're claiming that these arbitrary these you saw him doing increased his neck muscles and thus by proxy his durability. You literally have ZERO proof to back up your claim. Not only do the things you mentioned work on other muscles EXPONENTIALLY MORE than your neck... The article you posted even says it "MAY" help your ability to take a punch if you work on your neck muscles. Now, you're claiming you know that it does... please cite the case research you've done on this matter and supporting information please.
Lestov was obviously referring to Rocky's musculature as a whole and increased ability to take a punch, since that was the immediate topic, boxing/boxers/training-for-fight. Sorry he didn't hold your hand and explain it to you in simpler terms, I'll have a word with him about it concerning you if that helps
Again, you have no idea how the body reacts to training, what boxers train for and you still haven't bothered in watching the montage. "Boxers can't increase their ability to take a punch!" - KT, what a silly argument
Originally posted by Robtard
Lestov was obviously referring to Rocky's musculature as a whole and increased ability to take a punch, since that was the immediate topic, boxing/boxers/training-for-fight. Sorry he didn't hold your hand and explain it to you in simpler terms, I'll have a word with him about it concerning you if that helpsAgain, you have no idea how the body reacts to training, what boxers train for and you still haven't bothered in watching the montage. "Boxers can't increase their ability to take a punch!" - KT, what a silly argument
WHAT??? He LITERALLY said of course he head increased size along with the rest of his body. He goes on to say.. if not, he's head wouid've been disproportionality small compared to his body. There is no way around what he said... and you trying to cover what he said didn't even fit logically.
I've seen the montage a minimum of 50 times, at the very least. You literally don't have the slightest clue about boxing or what does or doesn't help a boxer. What's worse is how you're back peddling further. First, you list exercises that help next muscles that Rocky was NEVER shown doing. Not only that, the articles you posted say it "may" help you not that it would. Which further invalidates it further. Then when I call you on these facts you go.. well, he may not have been doing those but he did these others things which help neck muscles. Problem is, the things you cited main purpose isn't even helping neck muscles at all. Further, you have no proof these new training things you cited help take a punch. You literally have ZERO proof of anything you've just posted. Damn you make it easy to own you Robbie... I mean really, at least try and make it hard.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Includes his neck. Stop evading the point. He was more durable in 4 because he had a tougher training regimen than in 3 due to taking on a tougher opponent.
Nope, you said the size of his head increased along with his body. Nothing about neck muscles or density what so ever. Are you now again claiming you didn't mean something you said and actually meant this?
I'm still waiting on these exercises that increase the durability of your chin. There is no single proven exercise EVER that helps in this area. Your bone structure has more to do with your ability to take a punch, but that's genetic and nothing you can increase with exercising your neck. You can roll with punches... see hits coming to brace for impact etc etc... All these things help in taking a punch. Yet, this has NOTHING to do with the exercises in Rocky's 4 training montage. Literally NOTHING there suggest he could take a punch better with what he was doing. Increasing your next muscles only "may" help you avoiding whiplash and thus being KO'd... It has NOTHING.. literally NOTHING to do with your chin taking a blow. The idiocy and lack of boxing knowledge in this thread is astounding.
No one can prove that Rocky durability had increase in four because there is no way to tell. He was extremely durable in every movie. I made an incorrect statement before when I said Rocky II was his prime because I was thinking about his youth and hunger.
Rocky III is definitely his prime. Rocky was 3 to 5 years older in Rocky IV. His speed definitely decrease as we saw none of it in Rocky IV. The only thing that may have increase is his punching power.
Originally posted by Silent Master
You mean other than correctly pointing out how he withstood far more damage in Rocky IV than in any other movie?
There are quotes stating that he should have died from the beaten. No quote exist like that for his fight with Drago.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
WHAT??? He LITERALLY said of course he head increased size along with the rest of his body. He goes on to say.. if not, he's head wouid've been disproportionality small compared to his body. There is no way around what he said... and you trying to cover what he said didn't even fit logically.I've seen the montage a minimum of 50 times, at the very least. You literally don't have the slightest clue about boxing or what does or doesn't help a boxer. What's worse is how you're back peddling further. First, you list exercises that help next muscles that Rocky was NEVER shown doing. Not only that, the articles you posted say it "may" help you not that it would. Which further invalidates it further. Then when I call you on these facts you go.. well, he may not have been doing those but he did these others things which help neck muscles. Problem is, the things you cited main purpose isn't even helping neck muscles at all. Further, you have no proof these new training things you cited help take a punch. You literally have ZERO proof of anything you've just posted. Damn you make it easy to own you Robbie... I mean really, at least try and make it hard.
Sorry, you're the only one who thought Lestov was saying Rocky's head swelled up like a balloon or something, unless you're purposely just strawmanning again
You're just repeating what I said about you back at me again and you don't understand what "backpedaling" refers to in a debate. My points are the same as they've always been, sport
ps I've seen the montage a minimum of 50,000 times, since we're arbitrarily making shit up now apparently
Originally posted by Kotor3
I do not agree. This has already refuted. I still say Rocky II is where he received the most damage. He won only one round in Rocky II. That is the only fight in which that happen.There are quotes stating that he should have died from the beaten. No quote exist like that for his fight with Drago.
The fact that Drago hits far harder than Apollo means that 15 rounds of his punches would do more damage than 15 rounds of Apollo's, that you're arguing that Rocky was hurt more in part II means you are basically agreeing that Rocky was more durable in part IV.
Originally posted by Silent Master
The fact that Drago hits far harder than Apollo means that 15 rounds of his punches would do more damage than 15 rounds of Apollo's, that you're arguing that Rocky was hurt more in part II means you are basically agreeing that Rocky was more durable in part IV.
I had counted 80 hits that went straight to Rocky's face unblocked in the first round alone in the Rocky vs Apollo fight. Whereas Drago had only landed 37 to 38 I believe. That was being generous as some of them did not hit Rocky directly in the face. That is a little more than double the hits Drago gave him.
Note that is the first round where Drago got most of this hits. By the second round the fight starts to even out. That never happens in his fight with Apollo.
So once again, I disagree.
Originally posted by Kotor3
That is true if he landed as many punches as Apollo did to Rocky's head. But he didn't. The fight was one sided in Rocky II. It wasn't in Rocky IV. Early, I gave an example of the hit ratio.I had counted 80 hits that went straight to Rocky's face unblocked in the first round alone in the Rocky vs Apollo fight. Whereas Drago had only landed 37 to 38 I believe. That was being generous as some of them did not hit Rocky directly in the face. That is a little more than two double the hits Drago gave him.
Note that is the first round where Drago got most of this hits. By the second round the fight starts to even out. That never happens in his fight with Apollo.
So once again, I disagree.
All hits count towards durability, not just ones that hit certain body parts, so you'd need to count the number of hits total and compare them and why are you only counting the first rounds....the fights lasted 15 rounds. Not to mention that Drago was shown to hit around 3x harder than Heavyweight boxers.
Plus since you want to compare round 1, it took Drago far less hits to knock Rocky down.